evikne Posted July 4, 2019 Author Share #21  Posted July 4, 2019 Advertisement (gone after registration) 6 hours ago, a.noctilux said: The two 50mm lenses are "very" different. They are of course very different at f/1.0. 😉 But that extra f-stop is also the only reason why I keep the Noctilux. I haven’t noticed any big differences at other apertures, but it would be interesting to make a side by side comparison at f/1.4, and maybe f/2.0 and f/2.8. But I guess as with all lenses, the differences are smaller the more they are stopped down. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Advertisement Posted July 4, 2019 Posted July 4, 2019 Hi evikne, Take a look here 50mm Summilux pre-ASPH v3 vs. Noctilux f/1.0. I'm sure you'll find what you were looking for!
Metin Colak Posted July 4, 2019 Share #22  Posted July 4, 2019 12 hours ago, evikne said: @Metin Colak Thank you! What I love the most with the 50 Summilux pre-ASPH is that I have this beautiful rendering, not unlike both the 75 Summilux and Noctilux f/1, in a small and light package. It amazes me every time. It has the same "unpredictable" out of focus rendering as the other Mandler lenses, so there is always something exciting to find in a picture if you study it. I think the colors are more accurate than the Noctilux, which sometimes are a little "dirty", with a greenish tint, even when I use an ExpoDisc for correct WB. And the focusing is so fast and accurate, especially with the E46 version, which I think has a shorter focus throw. I am sure others can give you a more "scientific" description of this lens. I am not very concerned about such technical things. I just love the way it works and renders, and its versatility. So this has become my new favorite lens. Thank you so much for the helpful message. I agree with you about the Noctilux f1 rendering of colours. Green titnt is really visible in the out of focua plane, plus colours are not accurate at f1 as you pointed out. It has its unique rendering and this becomes obvious in black and white, I think. Thanks a lot for the explanation once again. Best regards. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Metin Colak Posted July 4, 2019 Share #23  Posted July 4, 2019 (edited) 11 hours ago, a.noctilux said: Metin, The two 50mm lenses are "very" different. I understand that when one needs the Noctilux "look", only Noctilux can give. But that can be boring over time, so one Summilux can save the day as an "everyday lens". No need "scientific" comparison, as for me it's impossible to "compare" them. I've never go out for photos (real life and not "brick wall test") with the two to compare them, as I know that is worthless.  My suggestion is to try out by oneself to find it out. I use three Summilux-M 50mm of different periods ( and colors ! ) and I have zero complain with them. They are "better choice" than Noctilux that I use for longer time, but less and less now.  Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members!  have a look at your Noctilux aperture shape at say f/2 to f/4 , and take photos at those aperture, you would prefer the rounder aperture of Summilux Thank you really very much for your explanation.   I like the bokeh, shape and that famous dreamy rendering of the Noctilux, but the colours are really abberated in the photographs. Sometimes unacceptable though. Besides this, weight and 1m minimum focus distance are other important factors to be considered for the Noctilux. Summilux has .7m minimum focus distance and this makes really sense sometimes. Plus 12 aperture blades and their shape. Maybe it might be better to compare the effects of the shapes (and the number of blades) at 1.4 and 1 on the same subject at 1m first, and then 1m-0.7m. If anybody have a chance to do this test, it will be greatly appreciated. Thank you very much once again. Best regards. Edited July 4, 2019 by Metin Colak Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
fotografr Posted July 4, 2019 Share #24  Posted July 4, 2019 On 11/15/2018 at 1:32 PM, Jul said: If you are not afraid of something different, the 50 1.1 Sonnetar from MS Optics is fast and small. However, are not the aperture and focus both opposite directions from Leica lenses? Going back and forth between lenses can get very confusing, especially when trying to focus quickly. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
fotografr Posted July 4, 2019 Share #25  Posted July 4, 2019 On 11/15/2018 at 7:03 AM, evikne said:  While I use the Noctilux almost exclusively wide open, a Summilux would be used at different apertures. So the more round aperture of the Summilux is a good thing.  Since you are going to use the Summilux at different apertures, I would not discount the earlier 50mm Summicrons designed by Mandler. They are quite reasonable in price and a good copy produces stunning images. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
evikne Posted July 4, 2019 Author Share #26 Â Posted July 4, 2019 3 minutes ago, fotografr said: Since you are going to use the Summilux at different apertures, I would not discount the earlier 50mm Summicrons designed by Mandler. They are quite reasonable in price and a good copy produces stunning images. This thread is quite old now, and I've already purchased the 50 Summilux pre-ASPH seven months ago. I am still very satisfied with it. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
fotografr Posted July 4, 2019 Share #27 Â Posted July 4, 2019 Advertisement (gone after registration) 1 minute ago, evikne said: This thread is quite old now, and I've already purchased the 50 Summilux pre-ASPH seven months ago. I am still very satisfied with it. Sorry, but perhaps someone else will benefit. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
a.noctilux Posted July 4, 2019 Share #28  Posted July 4, 2019 Thread so old that when I get some months older, my "go to" 50mm lens is ... Summarit-M 😵 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Musotographer Posted July 5, 2019 Share #29  Posted July 5, 2019 Though the Summilux 50 Asph is a wonderful lens I was using it less and less - too big and heavy for an everyday 50. So I have sold it and acquired a Rigid Summicron at a fraction of the price, which is superb, especially on the Monochrom. I love it. Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! 7 Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/291483-50mm-summilux-pre-asph-v3-vs-noctilux-f10/?do=findComment&comment=3772160'>More sharing options...
a.noctilux Posted July 5, 2019 Share #30  Posted July 5, 2019 Everybody knows now that every lens gives superb results  ... with Monochrom 👌  I see this myself when I use old lenses ( some from 1930's not coated ) with their own characters keeping intact 😊. This thread can confirm that ...with some superb images from old lenses 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
farnz Posted July 6, 2019 Share #31  Posted July 6, 2019 21 hours ago, Musotographer said: So I have sold it and acquired a Rigid Summicron at a fraction of the price, which is superb, especially on the Monochrom. I love it. I agree that the 50/2 Rigid Summicron is a wonderful lens - and not just on a Monochrom (which I don't have).  To my eye it has a lovely 'old-fashioned', lower contrast rendering but it's quite different to what my 50/1.0 Noctilux and 50/1.4 Summilux pre-asph v3 produce.  I ended up dismantling (but keeping) the infinity lock because it proved (like all infinity locks imho) to be a constant irritation.  All is good now though. 🙂 Pete. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Musotographer Posted July 6, 2019 Share #32  Posted July 6, 2019 Sorry everyone  - my addled brain forgot that this thread is about the PRE-asph Summilux 50, not the Asph - so my post was completely irrelevant. Pete - why anyone ever thought that infinity locks were in any way a good idea is completely beyond me; as you say, they are a constant irritation. I had the one on my old Summicron Collapsible disabled - fortunately my new Rigid was in that state already. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
shinobi2012 Posted December 30, 2022 Share #33  Posted December 30, 2022 Am 15.11.2018 um 14:03 schrieb evikne: @lct & @a.noctilux Thank you both! A shorter focus throw probably also mean faster focusing (even though a bit less precise)? While I use the Noctilux almost exclusively wide open, a Summilux would be used at different apertures. So the more round aperture of the Summilux is a good thing. I may add that I also have the new 50mm Summilux ASPH. But I have a very ambivalent relationship with this lens. I have sold it and re-purchased it three times. I love the compactness and smooth operation, but I am literally knocked out by the sharpness and contrast. It is almost too much. Even though I love the beautiful rendering, it doesn’t fit in among my other lenses, which all are Mandler designs from the 80’s. I agree 100%. And I am replacing my ASPH Summilux now with a E46 Pre ASPH Summilux. I do not like the long focus throw of the E43 and the E46 is precise enough 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
evikne Posted December 30, 2022 Author Share #34  Posted December 30, 2022 30 minutes ago, shinobi2012 said: I agree 100%. And I am replacing my ASPH Summilux now with a E46 Pre ASPH Summilux. I do not like the long focus throw of the E43 and the E46 is precise enough And my ambivalent relationship with the ASPH continues. I have now purchased and sold it five times (and I've sold the Noctilux). 😄 But the pre-ASPH E46 I have only purchased once – and never sold! 2 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
shinobi2012 Posted December 31, 2022 Share #35  Posted December 31, 2022 (edited) vor 23 Stunden schrieb evikne: And my ambivalent relationship with the ASPH continues. I have now purchased and sold it five times (and I've sold the Noctilux). 😄 But the pre-ASPH E46 I have only purchased once – and never sold! why are you keep buying the ASPH Summilux Evikne? Your try really hard to like it😂 Is the e46 pre ASPH between 2.8 and 8 as sharp as the ASPH ? I only need this wide open look, which I do not like from the ASPH (I tried hard too to like it 😉 Edited December 31, 2022 by shinobi2012 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
evikne Posted December 31, 2022 Author Share #36  Posted December 31, 2022 (edited) 1 hour ago, shinobi2012 said: why are you keep buying the ASPH Summilux Evikne? Your try really hard to like it😂 Is the e46 pre ASPH between 2.8 and 8 as sharp as the ASPH ? I only need this wide open look, which I do not like from the ASPH (I tried hard too to like it 😉 I think rather I try not to like it. 😄 But after a while I forget what I didn't like, and I start to miss it again. I think it's at least five mm too long, I hate the ninja star bokeh, and the pictures often look boring (but sometimes wonderful!). I think there is a difference at any aperture between the ASPH and pre-ASPH. From f/2.8 the pre-ASPH is more than sharp enough, but it never gets that "boring", clinical look when stopped down; it always retains some of the gentler Mandler look. Edited December 31, 2022 by evikne 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
shinobi2012 Posted January 1, 2023 Share #37  Posted January 1, 2023 vor 21 Stunden schrieb evikne: I think rather I try not to like it. 😄 But after a while I forget what I didn't like, and I start to miss it again. I think it's at least five mm too long, I hate the ninja star bokeh, and the pictures often look boring (but sometimes wonderful!). I think there is a difference at any aperture between the ASPH and pre-ASPH. From f/2.8 the pre-ASPH is more than sharp enough, but it never gets that "boring", clinical look when stopped down; it always retains some of the gentler Mandler look. I feel the same regarding the ASPh (on film). I will get my E46 next week. I had a e43 from 1972 and sold it for the ASPH. Anybody have experience, if the e46 retain the same rendering (because of modern coating) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
shinobi2012 Posted January 1, 2023 Share #38  Posted January 1, 2023 That looks what I been missing with my ASPH...at 1.4 (Delta 100) Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! 3 Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/291483-50mm-summilux-pre-asph-v3-vs-noctilux-f10/?do=findComment&comment=4624176'>More sharing options...
shinobi2012 Posted January 1, 2023 Share #39  Posted January 1, 2023 i am considering also the Noctilux 1.0 though🤪 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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