Chaemono Posted October 18, 2018 Share #61 Posted October 18, 2018 Advertisement (gone after registration) It’ll come with an integrated, collapsible adapter. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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LocalHero1953 Posted October 18, 2018 Share #62 Posted October 18, 2018 I thought this topic might be interesting. I seem to have wandered into the school playground by accident. 2 3 3 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chaemono Posted October 18, 2018 Share #63 Posted October 18, 2018 There will be more Raw file comparisons α7R III vs. M10 to examine “Exposing for Highlights.” So, right on topic. Just trying to kill some time until then with others here who can’t wait to see them. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chaemono Posted October 20, 2018 Share #64 Posted October 20, 2018 Let's get back to topic "Exposing for Highlights." I tried a bit lower ISO on the α7R III but it's better to use the same ISO on the M10 and the Sony and adjust EV by +0.20 on the Leica. That's about the difference in exposure with the 35 Summicron-M. First, one example at ISO 400 on the α7R III and ISO 640 on the M10 just for the heck of it. α7R III + 35 Summicron-M ISO 400 f/2.0 @1/1000 sec. ARW: https://cc2032.zenfolio.com/img/g249611660-o750076470.dat?dl=2&tk=XNtnG_cKm-vEF9oTz5nUFcWfEyLvq3Sbqat20s1o6r8= Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! M10 + Summicron-M ISO 640 f/2.0 @1/1000 sec. DNG: https://cc2032.zenfolio.com/img/g417240150-o750076470.dat?dl=2&tk=Q4I0Z0BT7jKa4nLEpttdFat4ht509QHYDeqG0SXsfQA= Quote Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! M10 + Summicron-M ISO 640 f/2.0 @1/1000 sec. DNG: https://cc2032.zenfolio.com/img/g417240150-o750076470.dat?dl=2&tk=Q4I0Z0BT7jKa4nLEpttdFat4ht509QHYDeqG0SXsfQA= ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/290339-exposing-for-highlights/?do=findComment&comment=3616131'>More sharing options...
Chaemono Posted October 20, 2018 Share #65 Posted October 20, 2018 (edited) One just has to love how the M10 sensor works to protect highlights. Let's look at some examples. α7R III + 35 Summicron-M ISO 640 f/16 @1/2000 sec. ARW: https://cc2032.zenfolio.com/img/g117967282-o750076470.dat?dl=2&tk=wJkYp4Wg8pj4bj-EG4YJA_JGXrDBLx7lsLxcRYOJTKQ= Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! α7R III + 35 Summicron-M ISO 500 f/16 @1/2000 sec. ARW: https://cc2032.zenfolio.com/img/g284441320-o750076470.dat?dl=2&tk=hu1gql-luRWcVDI1XEF2okH1WSHCxKzgEYBpFkikJ5w= M10 + Summicron-M ISO 640 f/16 @1/2000 sec. DNG: https://cc2032.zenfolio.com/img/g255584799-o750076470.dat?dl=2&tk=Qnq8nFbKVmxcwy6518mjKHdgGbl9KmC8NDgdF6citso= Edited October 20, 2018 by Chaemono Quote Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! α7R III + 35 Summicron-M ISO 500 f/16 @1/2000 sec. ARW: https://cc2032.zenfolio.com/img/g284441320-o750076470.dat?dl=2&tk=hu1gql-luRWcVDI1XEF2okH1WSHCxKzgEYBpFkikJ5w= M10 + Summicron-M ISO 640 f/16 @1/2000 sec. DNG: https://cc2032.zenfolio.com/img/g255584799-o750076470.dat?dl=2&tk=Qnq8nFbKVmxcwy6518mjKHdgGbl9KmC8NDgdF6citso= ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/290339-exposing-for-highlights/?do=findComment&comment=3616144'>More sharing options...
Chaemono Posted October 20, 2018 Share #66 Posted October 20, 2018 (edited) It's also evident here. One has to pull the Highlights back less with the M10 after one lifts the shadows. α7R III + 35 Summicron-M ISO 640 f/5.6 @1/500 sec. ARW: https://cc2032.zenfolio.com/img/g141611154-o750076470.dat?dl=2&tk=JAazpNEbZbS2BN3LdQiqc1RzOqHHYKBr_JZ2zmYwpbk= Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! α7R III + 35 Summicron-M ISO 500 f/5.6 @1/500 sec. ARW: https://cc2032.zenfolio.com/img/g330133450-o750076470.dat?dl=2&tk=8-EbdoTENraIz9tfxYByonaRJ-kdlttnkZW6AXk9_-4= M10 + Summicron-M ISO 640 f/5.6 @1/500 sec. DNG: https://cc2032.zenfolio.com/img/g335894659-o750076470.dat?dl=2&tk=drgj3UYjWBy-9C0aGzjVvGirLNHCQSpeVG67iyuuL84= Edited October 20, 2018 by Chaemono Quote Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! α7R III + 35 Summicron-M ISO 500 f/5.6 @1/500 sec. ARW: https://cc2032.zenfolio.com/img/g330133450-o750076470.dat?dl=2&tk=8-EbdoTENraIz9tfxYByonaRJ-kdlttnkZW6AXk9_-4= M10 + Summicron-M ISO 640 f/5.6 @1/500 sec. DNG: https://cc2032.zenfolio.com/img/g335894659-o750076470.dat?dl=2&tk=drgj3UYjWBy-9C0aGzjVvGirLNHCQSpeVG67iyuuL84= ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/290339-exposing-for-highlights/?do=findComment&comment=3616150'>More sharing options...
Chaemono Posted October 20, 2018 Share #67 Posted October 20, 2018 Advertisement (gone after registration) And one more pair. Lift the shadows all the way. More detail in the sky with the M10. Terrific sensor for exposing for Highlights. α7R III + 35 Summicron-M ISO 200 f/4 @1/4000 sec. ARW: https://cc2032.zenfolio.com/img/g53043758-o750076470.dat?dl=2&tk=XWVnmFAwhM4ytl07Cv_jEk2u3zLoNUr53enxbZlJ5Fk= Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! M10 + Summicron-M ISO 200 f/4 @1/4000 sec. DNG: https://cc2032.zenfolio.com/img/g99136531-o750076470.dat?dl=2&tk=YQ63bwCrpyqsjzXyzVgGmfIUBMUaOsEqFjO62NccLio= Quote Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! M10 + Summicron-M ISO 200 f/4 @1/4000 sec. DNG: https://cc2032.zenfolio.com/img/g99136531-o750076470.dat?dl=2&tk=YQ63bwCrpyqsjzXyzVgGmfIUBMUaOsEqFjO62NccLio= ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/290339-exposing-for-highlights/?do=findComment&comment=3616154'>More sharing options...
JDFlood Posted October 21, 2018 Share #68 Posted October 21, 2018 On 10/15/2018 at 11:30 AM, ianman said: +1 +2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chaemono Posted October 21, 2018 Share #69 Posted October 21, 2018 The M10 sensor is made for Highlight exposure. It captures effortlessly details agains extreme Highlights at ISO 640, for example. α7R III + 35 Summicron-M ISO 640 f/2 @1/1000 sec. ARW: https://cc2032.zenfolio.com/img/g601382749-o750076470.dat?dl=2&tk=UNUsyWoF9L07PPnG3K1H2QgJqCQPTvh64HksMjeFrmw= This is a crop of the picture in the file above. Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! α7R III + 35 Summicron-M ISO 500 f/2 @1/1000 sec. ARW: https://cc2032.zenfolio.com/img/g1032737012-o750076470.dat?dl=2&tk=18WQOtbiU_hdeE016-ZHuFVoGaqzpnHd8dqNdyKbzJs= This is a crop of the picture in the file above. And now the M10 + Summicron-M ISO 640 f/2 @1/1000 sec. DNG: https://cc2032.zenfolio.com/img/g962221385-o750076470.dat?dl=2&tk=sWNdaXlQ6EW2Vh02RSoJ5gHbPq1stooXhg4XpMaqmHs= This is a crop of the picture in the file above. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! α7R III + 35 Summicron-M ISO 500 f/2 @1/1000 sec. ARW: https://cc2032.zenfolio.com/img/g1032737012-o750076470.dat?dl=2&tk=18WQOtbiU_hdeE016-ZHuFVoGaqzpnHd8dqNdyKbzJs= This is a crop of the picture in the file above. And now the M10 + Summicron-M ISO 640 f/2 @1/1000 sec. DNG: https://cc2032.zenfolio.com/img/g962221385-o750076470.dat?dl=2&tk=sWNdaXlQ6EW2Vh02RSoJ5gHbPq1stooXhg4XpMaqmHs= This is a crop of the picture in the file above. ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/290339-exposing-for-highlights/?do=findComment&comment=3616720'>More sharing options...
astrostl Posted October 22, 2018 Share #70 Posted October 22, 2018 On 10/20/2018 at 11:57 AM, Chaemono said: One just has to love how the M10 sensor works to protect highlights. I know I'm wading out into no-man's-land with this line of response, but: - I'd sooner prefer that the sensor not blow highlights and - I'm inclined to assume that the "protections" applied are a side-effect of center-weighted metering, and not conscious design around a sensor deficiency I still love the camera, still find it very usable, etc. etc. No pitchforks pls 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
designdog Posted October 22, 2018 Share #71 Posted October 22, 2018 I love how the M 10 does just about everything. The Sony a7R lll is a small computer to which you can attach a lens. As a former Nikon D5 and D850 owner, there is very little, if anything, the Sony does that impresses me. (Not a movie guy.) But I gave up the Nikons for the M10, and I am still joyous in doing so. Even if the M10 did poorly (well, not too poorly) on the dynamic range comparisons, I would still much prefer it to the Sony and the Nikons. The best photos I have ever taken are with this Leica. The best experiences I have had with photography are with this Leica. In fact, I got a backup M9 that I would not trade for either Nikon or Sony... 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chaemono Posted October 23, 2018 Share #72 Posted October 23, 2018 vor 7 Stunden schrieb designdog: I love how the M 10 does just about everything. I agree, I wish it could make coffee, though. vor 7 Stunden schrieb designdog: The Sony a7R lll is a small computer to which you can attach a lens. I love small computers. The only issue with them is they seem to struggle with extreme Highlights and Shadows between ISO 200 and ISO 800 in the same scene. They either overexpose the Highlights and underexpose the Shadows or underexpose the Shadows and overexpose the Highlights. Stay tuned. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Naylor Posted October 23, 2018 Author Share #73 Posted October 23, 2018 10 hours ago, designdog said: I love how the M 10 does just about everything. The Sony a7R lll is a small computer to which you can attach a lens. As a former Nikon D5 and D850 owner, there is very little, if anything, the Sony does that impresses me. (Not a movie guy.) But I gave up the Nikons for the M10, and I am still joyous in doing so. Even if the M10 did poorly (well, not too poorly) on the dynamic range comparisons, I would still much prefer it to the Sony and the Nikons. The best photos I have ever taken are with this Leica. The best experiences I have had with photography are with this Leica. In fact, I got a backup M9 that I would not trade for either Nikon or Sony... I'm so pleased to hear you say this, because it will stop my dithering. I'm in the process of selling my D810 and 5 lens (quite an investment), mainly because I can't carry it around anymore. The Q has served me well for the past year, but being restricted to a single 28mm has become frustrating. Deciding to spend another 12,000€ on my hobby is hurting, and that's just to get started. In fact this whole thread has boosted my confidence. I plan to buy an M10-P and 2 Summarit lenses (35 & 75). Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
M11 for me Posted October 23, 2018 Share #74 Posted October 23, 2018 vor 44 Minuten schrieb mkenaylor: I'm so pleased to hear you say this, because it will stop my dithering. I'm in the process of selling my D810 and 5 lens (quite an investment), mainly because I can't carry it around anymore. The Q has served me well for the past year, but being restricted to a single 28mm has become frustrating. Deciding to spend another 12,000€ on my hobby is hurting, and that's just to get started. In fact this whole thread has boosted my confidence. I plan to buy an M10-P and 2 Summarit lenses (35 & 75). Oh, you want a 35 and 75? I fully agree with the 75 but I would think about the 35. Of course its a very usefull focal length but I think it is too near to the 28. When I look at my own habits then I see that 50 and 75 makes the real difference. Most time I am out with 3 lenses (ONO bag). These are then 28, 50 and 75. 35 is a special lens to me that is why I bought it as a Summilux. I use it at parties and of course in low light. The 28 (Summicron) is more usefull to me: Its not much different to 35 and in post I can crop if needed. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Naylor Posted October 23, 2018 Author Share #75 Posted October 23, 2018 57 minutes ago, Alex U. said: Oh, you want a 35 and 75? I fully agree with the 75 but I would think about the 35. Of course its a very usefull focal length but I think it is too near to the 28. When I look at my own habits then I see that 50 and 75 makes the real difference. Most time I am out with 3 lenses (ONO bag). These are then 28, 50 and 75. 35 is a special lens to me that is why I bought it as a Summilux. I use it at parties and of course in low light. The 28 (Summicron) is more usefull to me: Its not much different to 35 and in post I can crop if needed. I've already been thinking I could add an Elmarit 24mm later if need be. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
budjames Posted October 23, 2018 Share #76 Posted October 23, 2018 I tend to meter the foreground by tipping the camera down and half pressing the shutter button to lock exposure. This works pretty well most of the time. It's a shame that the three metering modes on the M10 when using live view are not available without live view. I certain that a simple firmware update could add this flexibility. I shoot only RAW and process my images in Capture One Pro. Leica DNG RAW files need very little adjustment and the standard sharpening is fine. In comparison, my Fuji X RAW files need much more adjustments in post-processing to achieve optimum results. Capture One Pro is amazing software and much better than Lightroom, IMHO. Regards, Bud James Please check out my fine art and travel photography at www.budjames.photography or on Instagram at www.instagram.com/budjamesphoto. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
NigelG Posted October 23, 2018 Share #77 Posted October 23, 2018 The advanced metering modes are only possible off the sensor - standard centre-weighted is off the shutter blades - so there is no possibility of a firmware “tweak”. Bear in mind you can use the advanced metering focussing with the rangefinder and the screen turned off, but there will still be the lag from the shutter closing before firing (which rules it out for me YMMV).... Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
designdog Posted October 23, 2018 Share #78 Posted October 23, 2018 mkenaylor, thanks for the comments. Let me explain a bit more - perhaps it will help. At the beginning of spring I accompanied my wife to a conference, bringing my typical kit: Nikon D5, 28 1.4G, 58 1.4G, 105 1.4G. Left the zoom lenses behind. I took a few shots when we arrived at the hotel, but, for the most part, the bag remained in our room. This was becoming more and more typical. I realized that I had accumulated enough value in my Nikon gear to make somewhat of a move to Leica. Sony, or any other mirrorless camera, was never an option (see above.) This was going to be a big move, but, at 73 I warranted that it was now or never. I had owned an M6 years and years ago, never really into photography then, but appreciated the camera. Part of the reason for my move was my stagnation with the Nikon - or any other DSLR. Another part was the enjoyment I had during a brief foray back into film two years ago. Got me slowing down and appreciating taking pictures again. So I got a new M10 and a 35 Summicron. Then a 50 Summilux and the 75 APO Summicron. Added a 35 Zeiss Distagon, a pristine M9, and a few other lenses. Here I am. I was overjoyed that the rangefinder manual focusing was nowhere near as hard as I thought it would be. I was stunned the technical quality of the images I was making. And I am disappointed at my obvious lack of skill in the art of photography - which really stands out when you move from the spray and pray school to the Leica school of taking pictures. But I am working on it! Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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