xiaubauu2009 Posted November 11, 2018 Share #141 Posted November 11, 2018 Advertisement (gone after registration) 17 hours ago, hoppyman said: Matt, to continue that discussion, I would like to add some comment/opinion from here. Why would a mirrorless S require an adapter? Do you mean if a new body was made more compact rather than continuing the current form? For me the ergonomics of the current body are excellent and it’s much more comfortable to use in extended sessions than the SL for example. I agree that a new lens range seems impractical/unlikely given the assumed proportion of Leicas market filled by the S. My speculation is that an SL2 might be more likely than a smaller S body. For the bulk of my shooting, I find the large optical finder of the S superb, while the single AF point a limitation. I experimented with the optional screen too but effectively it’s the same focus recompose limitation and with the precise location of the crosshairs no longer indicated. For me the screens and Liveview in the S are not suffuIciently precise for MF ( coming from M RF cameras) regarding heat dispersal, I haven’t observed any issue with the SL in rapid sequences. I shoot much more with the S however. I don’t use the continuous mode but single shots perhaps 2 -3 seconds apart in groups of maybe 20 shots, say 1000 plus over 3 hours typically (dancing and the like) cant comment on testing performance in corners or with lenses other than the 70 and 120. I do recall Peter Karbe some time ago saying that the lenses could outresolve the next generation of sensors too. Mirror will mean shorter flange distance of the Sensor design, unless Leica is stupid enough to follow Sigma's path of creating a mirror camera (SD Quattro/H) and kept the same flange distance and making the camera just as big as before without the benefit of the OVF ( Maybe that's the reason Sigma and Leica pair up now) Hahhaha. So if it's mirror-less camera, the flange shorter, you will need a physical adaptor to increase the distance between your lens (The old Leica S lens with flange of 40something) to the theoretically new mirrorless S camera with shorter than 40 something flange.... thus adapting the older lens to the new body. Being mirrorless has some benefit though in terms of lens design, it will allow more light into the sensor... or so Nikon Z and Canon R has us believe in their marketing literature. For me, the best new is the SL mount that is open to Sigma. The foveon sensor is the best color sensor I have ever used, and having a short flange really open it up to all sort of possibility and even adaptation of Leica lens. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Jon Warwick Posted November 13, 2018 Share #142 Posted November 13, 2018 +1 to the comment above on the Foveon sensor. Foveon’s image quality really stands out from Bayer filter sensors in terms of colour depth and “naturalness”, imho. When paired with SL Summicrons, it could hopefully be “the” benchmark for full frame in terms of image quality. 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
xiaubauu2009 Posted November 14, 2018 Share #143 Posted November 14, 2018 16 hours ago, Jon Warwick said: +1 to the comment above on the Foveon sensor. Foveon’s image quality really stands out from Bayer filter sensors in terms of colour depth and “naturalness”, imho. When paired with SL Summicrons, it could hopefully be “the” benchmark for full frame in terms of image quality. Can't wait! 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
helged Posted November 14, 2018 Share #144 Posted November 14, 2018 3 hours ago, xiaubauu2009 said: Can't wait! +1 (but for long...? ) Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
xiaubauu2009 Posted November 18, 2018 Share #145 Posted November 18, 2018 On 11/14/2018 at 5:59 PM, helged said: +1 (but for long...? ) Let's hope end of 2019, meanwhile, I have just ordered an Upgrade to the IQ4 150mp from 100mp. Somehow, I am less excited about this than the future uncertain L mount Sigma. 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ynp Posted December 24, 2018 Share #146 Posted December 24, 2018 After the all weekend tests of the Fuji GFX50r , I realized that I want to keep my S2 and maybe I will upgrade to the new S3. I just love it’s optical viewfinder. And I have a question which has been bothering me for the last two years. Why does not Leica add an attachable electronic viewfinder on the top of the prism and allow to use us the moving focus points not only on the back screen in live view? They will need to modify the hot shoe and add a terminal to connect the EVF. Take out the EVF from an SL and price it in a Leica way. Just a thought. 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
John McMaster Posted December 24, 2018 Share #147 Posted December 24, 2018 Advertisement (gone after registration) I guess that would reduce the weather-proofness of the S range? john Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ynp Posted December 24, 2018 Share #148 Posted December 24, 2018 (edited) 37 minutes ago, John McMaster said: I guess that would reduce the weather-proofness of the S range? john Maybe, although the Fuji GFX 50s with an attachable EVF is weather sealed. Edited December 24, 2018 by ynp Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted December 24, 2018 Share #149 Posted December 24, 2018 2 hours ago, ynp said: And I have a question which has been bothering me for the last two years. Why does not Leica add an attachable electronic viewfinder on the top of the prism and allow to use us the moving focus points not only on the back screen in live view? They will need to modify the hot shoe and add a terminal to connect the EVF. Take out the EVF from an SL and price it in a Leica way. Just a thought. They could ask Hasselblad if they could borrow Hasselblad's "True Focus" Happy Christmas mate..........remember to give me a shout when you are back in Phuket Neil Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ynp Posted December 24, 2018 Share #150 Posted December 24, 2018 (edited) Hi, Neil. In January, as usual. After my engines serviced. Merry Christmas A very happy new year to you and your family Yevgeny. Edited December 24, 2018 by ynp Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted December 24, 2018 Share #151 Posted December 24, 2018 3 minutes ago, ynp said: Hi, Neil. In January, as usual. After my engines serviced. Yevgeny. Perfect....see you then Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
tom0511 Posted December 30, 2018 Share #152 Posted December 30, 2018 Am 24.12.2018 um 16:21 schrieb ynp: After the all weekend tests of the Fuji GFX50r , I realized that I want to keep my S2 and maybe I will upgrade to the new S3. I just love it’s optical viewfinder. And I have a question which has been bothering me for the last two years. Why does not Leica add an attachable electronic viewfinder on the top of the prism and allow to use us the moving focus points not only on the back screen in live view? They will need to modify the hot shoe and add a terminal to connect the EVF. Take out the EVF from an SL and price it in a Leica way. Just a thought. I asked myself the exact same question. would make a lot of sense IMO. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
helged Posted December 30, 2018 Share #153 Posted December 30, 2018 On 12/24/2018 at 4:21 PM, ynp said: After the all weekend tests of the Fuji GFX50r , I realized that I want to keep my S2 and maybe I will upgrade to the new S3. I just love it’s optical viewfinder. And I have a question which has been bothering me for the last two years. Why does not Leica add an attachable electronic viewfinder on the top of the prism and allow to use us the moving focus points not only on the back screen in live view? They will need to modify the hot shoe and add a terminal to connect the EVF. Take out the EVF from an SL and price it in a Leica way. Just a thought. 31 minutes ago, tom0511 said: I asked myself the exact same question. would make a lot of sense IMO. +1. As for the M, starting with M240. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ynp Posted December 30, 2018 Share #154 Posted December 30, 2018 Another thought after handling the GFX50s: because we cannot expect an articulated lcd screen on the S3, let’s have a tilting EVF. It would be easier to shoot landscapes from a low positioned tripod and do portrait work from the waist level. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted December 30, 2018 Share #155 Posted December 30, 2018 There is presently a perfect ... albeit a bit uncomfortable option for those not used to video cameras ... https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/1163487-REG/zacuto_z_grx_gratical_x_micro_oled.html You can position this at any angle you wish .... has magnification and peaking ... zebras and waveforms in realtime ... No one will give you a better EVF on camera ... Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
hoppyman Posted December 31, 2018 Share #156 Posted December 31, 2018 I can understand what people might like to have there. I think that the Tru focus option Hasselblad implemented before they started with mirrorless would be great to have in a future S. Its all accelerometer based and nothing optical. I don't know how long until the S3 is actually available , but no doubt the physical design is fixed. With a model longevity of maybe 3 years? in the market after the S3 is available I don't think anyone will get their EVF wish anytime soon. if at all. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
helged Posted December 31, 2018 Share #157 Posted December 31, 2018 10 hours ago, docmoore said: There is presently a perfect ... albeit a bit uncomfortable option for those not used to video cameras ... https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/1163487-REG/zacuto_z_grx_gratical_x_micro_oled.html You can position this at any angle you wish .... has magnification and peaking ... zebras and waveforms in realtime ... No one will give you a better EVF on camera ... Hmmm.... somewhat monsterous, depending on the type of shooting, obviously. But interesting, nevertheless. Without checking the ports on the S, can it be used on S? Some of the ports on the S, as far as I recall, are of non-standsrd type - thus the question... Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
helged Posted December 31, 2018 Share #158 Posted December 31, 2018 A follow-up to the above: Anyone knowing whether the Zacuto is compatible with the S...? Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted December 31, 2018 Share #159 Posted December 31, 2018 Three graticals exist ... only one is compatible ... it takes an HDMI input but is powered by a simple Canon battery. The other two ... which are newer smaller and would be a better choice only have a SDI input so unless you are running an external recorder to do the HDMI out from the S to SDI loop to the other graticals they will not work. There are converters for HDMI to SDI but may be buggy and not worth the effort. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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