bags27 #1 Posted September 21, 2018 https://leicarumors.com/ FWIW (which may not be much, since LR was sure of a C-M in June. But the very, very big news is over on the SL thread, where there are confirmed (ha!) reports that Leica, Panasonic, and Sigma are going to share the L mount and that next week Panasonic is announcing a camera with "way more than a 42 MPS sensor" and Leica compatible: https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/289421-new-panasonic-full-frame-with-sl-mount/page-4?do=findComment&comment=3596722 I suspect that, if true, it will further delay work on Q2, since Leica may well have its hands full trying to position a competitive SL2 and pushing out a lot of new L glass, not to mention its S line which is already been announced to be undergoing a major upgrade. 3 uffehagen, Infiniumguy and zampelis reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
hcklr #2 Posted September 21, 2018 I saw that - makes me think even more that we're at least a year away from hearing anything. I'm still not sure how they would improve the current Q honestly. A different focal length like 35mm would be awesome - but part of me hopes they even keep the same 28 1.7. I've really bonded with the FOV on mine! 2 bags27 and tgdinamo reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
prk60091 #3 Posted September 21, 2018 I've really bonded with the FOV on mine! Me too 1 bags27 reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
tgdinamo #4 Posted September 21, 2018 I've really bonded with the FOV on mine! I also agree but could also very easily bond with couple of new weather sealed Q's (one with the same 28mm lens, and another with 50mm summilux) Hello guest! Please register or sign in to view the hidden content. 7 bags27, ramosa, antigallican and 4 others reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bags27 #5 Posted September 21, 2018 The problem for Leica with having a Q with a significantly different focal length is: what would be stopping us from carrying 2 Qs of different focal length, the sum total of which would be significantly less expensive than one SL with 2 summilux lenses? 3 hcklr, prk60091 and tgdinamo reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
tgdinamo #6 Posted September 21, 2018 The problem for Leica with having a Q with a significantly different focal length is: what would be stopping us from carrying 2 Qs of different focal length, the sum total of which would be significantly less expensive than one SL with 2 summilux lenses? Exactly! Actually multiple benefits - less expensive, probably less total weight to carry, and you have a backup camera with you. 1 bags27 reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bags27 #7 Posted September 22, 2018 Exactly! Actually multiple benefits - less expensive, probably less total weight to carry, and you have a backup camera with you. I don't think this is Leica's business model... :=) 2 tgdinamo and prk60091 reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
prk60091 #8 Posted September 22, 2018 If there is a Q2 it is more likely than not a Q (28mm FOV) with something add'l (eg:weather sealing). Leica can sell more hardware by selling the CL and bunches of lenses 1 bags27 reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Voxen #9 Posted September 22, 2018 (edited) I’m not far to think there will never be a Q2. I believe the Q’s success is beyond Leica’s expectations and it cannibalizes M and lenses sales, it’s probably a significant hit in their revenues. This could be worse with a 40MP+ Q2 where people could crop and feel even less the need for a secondary camera with lenses. I think the Q will be discontinued and the M will get hybrid viewfinder and AF. Edited September 22, 2018 by Voxen 6 1 zampelis, Nascarone, bags27 and 4 others reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
hcklr #10 Posted September 22, 2018 I’m not far to think there will never be a Q2. I believe the Q’s success is beyond Leica’s expectations and it cannibalizes M and lenses sales, it’s probably a significant hit in their revenues. This could be worse with a 40MP+ Q2 where people could crop and feel even less the need for a secondary camera with lenses. I think the Q will be discontinued and the M will get hybrid viewfinder and AF. I don't know - I don't imagine Leica or any company going "wow, we had a runaway success with our Q, it's our best selling camera ever - as a result of that, let's discontinue it" That being said - I truly don't believe we're anywhere close to a Q version 2 - I'd love to be wrong, but I think the current Q is here to stay for a long time. 3 Nascarone, LexS and rmblaikie reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Le Chef #11 Posted September 22, 2018 The assumption here is that the Q merely cannibalized existing Leica sales. For all we know it may have expanded them... 7 bags27, tgdinamo, ramosa and 4 others reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bags27 #12 Posted September 22, 2018 The Leica reps I've talked with have said 2 things: 1. The Q is a gateway drug to other Leicas 2. It's hard to keep the Q in stock. Virtually everything about Leica sales figures is proprietary information and you have to extrapolate from casual conversation. 3 Infiniumguy, Nascarone and Hazesus reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Le Chef #13 Posted September 22, 2018 If this is true then the Q is expanding Leica’s share and volume, and that has to be a good thing. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
marchyman #14 Posted September 22, 2018 The assumption here is that the Q merely cannibalized existing Leica sales. For all we know it may have expanded them... Yup. Because of the Q I have an M 262. I doubt I'd have bought the M without the experience of the Q. I got the Q because I wanted a full frame camera similar to the Fuji X100 I was otherwise happy with. However, owning the M could lead to an interesting dilemma: if my Q were to break would I replace it or instead get a Summicron-M 28mm f/2 ASPH? I use my Q in manual focus mode 99+ percent of the time so loss of autofocus would not be an issue. 3 bags27, grick and Nascarone reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
grick #15 Posted September 23, 2018 I'm new to the forum. This is a first time post for me. I come from a Fujifilm X system experience. Just recently I purchased a Leica Q after reading some descriptions of the Q on a Fujifilm forum. I did some research and ordered one. I just received it last week and am learning to shoot with it and to get the results I want. I came across this thread and wanted to comment. In the past, I would never consider purchasing an M or the lenses to go with it. They are way over what I would consider paying for a camera. The Q on the other hand, though costing still more than I have ever paid for a camera before, was within reason and has given me a chance to explore Leica. If in the future, I decide to purchase more Leica kit, it will be because of the Q. 8 LucisPictor, helged, bags27 and 5 others reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
HighlandK #16 Posted September 23, 2018 I'm new to the forum. This is a first time post for me. I come from a Fujifilm X system experience. Just recently I purchased a Leica Q after reading some descriptions of the Q on a Fujifilm forum. I did some research and ordered one. I just received it last week and am learning to shoot with it and to get the results I want. I came across this thread and wanted to comment. In the past, I would never consider purchasing an M or the lenses to go with it. They are way over what I would consider paying for a camera. The Q on the other hand, though costing still more than I have ever paid for a camera before, was within reason and has given me a chance to explore Leica. If in the future, I decide to purchase more Leica kit, it will be because of the Q. +1 1 Infiniumguy reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
LucisPictor #17 Posted September 23, 2018 (edited) #1 I’m not far to think there will never be a Q2. I believe the Q’s success is beyond Leica’s expectations and it cannibalizes M and lenses sales, it’s probably a significant hit in their revenues. This could be worse with a 40MP+ Q2 where people could crop and feel even less the need for a secondary camera with lenses. #2 I think the Q will be discontinued and the M will get hybrid viewfinder and AF. I totally agree to #1. But I do not agree to #2. Leica will never get rid of the rangefinder system in the M series. There will be just another camera instead, like to rumoured cooperation between Leica, Panasonic and Sigma. Edited September 23, 2018 by LucisPictor 2 Infiniumguy and bags27 reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Le Chef #18 Posted September 23, 2018 Most companies first spend time identifying a market opportunity. They specify in detail the product they will make and price it down to the last nut and bolt to fit that opportunity. They test it with their intended audiences to see likely sales take up. They price test. They check to understand why a potential buyer would buy and where they are coming from. There’s a lot that goes into the process before launching a new product and a lot of monitoring that goes on after launch. If Leica is losing sales and margin from other products in their range they need to fire the product planners and the market researchers. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
tgdinamo #19 Posted September 23, 2018 If Leica M camera/lens sales are really struggling because of the Q then the last thing Leica should to is discontinue the Q, but rather improve on it (or find a way to add AF to the M if that is even possible), because other vendors will be more than happy to try to step in and fill that void with plenty of Q like cameras. Now that mirrorless has established itself in FF world it's no brainer that more of those types of cameras are coming and will pressure the M lineup from all sides, as we can see with recent Sony, Canon, Nikon, Fuji, and let's not forget X1D which set a new milestone for what is possible in very portable package (sure to be perfectly good for street photography in the next version where AF and general operational speed are guaranteed to be much improved, and medium format will be the differntiating factor - FF may become the new APS-C Hello guest! Please register or sign in to view the hidden content. ). Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
FredericB #20 Posted September 25, 2018 Exactly: no Q2 for now. What a disappointment Photokina is. - 2 new body-colours (who cares?) - new S3 (not my cup of tea) - an app (let's see) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
