Leica M10-P with level gauge, touchscreen and a much quieter shutter

[Photon42]

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1 hour ago, Talleyrand said:

Agreed 100%. In the beginning Leica was the camera of the professional. The Japanese could only copy it. Now, not too many working professionals put their trust in Leica. I'd say that even the M10 and M10-P are boutiquey crap. Satisfied to live on its heritage, Leica has abandoned the digital M as a professional working camera to the Japanese. I'd love to see Leica put their expertise into making their digital rangefinders into acceptable alternatives for pros. If not, then all we can expect is more of the same every, what, five years or so with multiple useless iterations in between. Living in the past.

Your forum name suggests expertise in diplomacy. May I just quote "Mistrust first impulses; they are nearly always good". The M10 actually provides a very fluid experience in my eyes. Depends on what you need, of course. This is a hot blooded reportage camera. Don't run it in a studio as your main camera. There will always be better options. People tend to forget that rangefinders aren't designed to be cameras for everything or the ones with the largest possible feature envelope. They specialise in reportage and require reasonable eye sight. if both does not apply, you do look at the wrong tool.

[Keith_W]

17 hours ago, wolfloid said:

I find this so absolutely inexcusible. What is Leica playing at with their silly and unnecessary diversions into boutique garbage when they can't even summon the engineering to get this right. There is absolutely no excuse for their cameras not to start up instantly. This is something that everybody wants and many demand. I find it very troubling that the leica community simply passively puts up with this rather than making it clear to Leica that all their available investment should be put into this central feature of a camera that claims to carry the digital street heritage. My ten year old Canon 5D2 starts up instantly! That's ten year old technology. They should have got this right years ago - why let them off the hook? - it needs to be the first criticism in every  overview or review.

LUF regressive retort: go buy a Sony then! You are obviously not deserving of Leica. The slow start-up time of a Leica is a feature and not a bug. It encourages slow and deliberate photography! Did Cartier-Bresson complain of slow startup times? Did Daguerre? If ye of short attention span wants instant startup, you can go buy Japanese and leave us Leica purists alone! 

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[M11 for me]

vor 46 Minuten schrieb Keith_W:

LUF regressive retort: go buy a Sony then! You are obviously not deserving of Leica. The slow start-up time of a Leica is a feature and not a bug. It encourages slow and deliberate photography! Did Cartier-Bresson complain of slow startup times? Did Daguerre? If ye of short attention span wants instant startup, you can go buy Japanese and leave us Leica purists alone! 

Startup times at the times off Besson and Daguerre? Can you please explain a bit more in detail? 

[M11 for me]

vor 46 Minuten schrieb Keith_W:

LUF regressive retort: go buy a Sony then! You are obviously not deserving of Leica. The slow start-up time of a Leica is a feature and not a bug. It encourages slow and deliberate photography! Did Cartier-Bresson complain of slow startup times? Did Daguerre? If ye of short attention span wants instant startup, you can go buy Japanese and leave us Leica purists alone! 

Startup times at the times off Besson and Daguerre? Can you please explain a bit more in detail? 

[IkarusJohn]

22 hours ago, Talleyrand said:

Agreed 100%. In the beginning Leica was the camera of the professional. The Japanese could only copy it. Now, not too many working professionals put their trust in Leica. I'd say that even the M10 and M10-P are boutiquey crap. Satisfied to live on its heritage, Leica has abandoned the digital M as a professional working camera to the Japanese. I'd love to see Leica put their expertise into making their digital rangefinders into acceptable alternatives for pros. If not, then all we can expect is more of the same every, what, five years or so with multiple useless iterations in between. Living in the past.

I really don't understand this - how does an M camera not become boutiquey crap, and more suitable for a professional?  The rangefinder mechanism is really only good for 28-90mm, which is very limiting for a professional, isn't it?  Though that really depends how you define professional.  Surely, to remain an M camera, it won't be autofocus and it will still have a rangefinder ...

I would have thought that Leica has good professional cameras (with ongoing complaints about LENR) in the S and SL ...

Welcome to the forum, by the way!

[Keith_W]

23 hours ago, Alex U. said:

Startup times at the times off Besson and Daguerre? Can you please explain a bit more in detail? 

Sure, it is well known that the digital cameras of Cartier-Bresson and Daguerre were slow to start up. And have low megapixel count, but that is another story. 

[M11 for me]

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vor 7 Stunden schrieb Keith_W:

Sure, it is well known that the digital cameras of Cartier-Bresson and Daguerre were slow to start up. And have low megapixel count, but that is another story. 

Oh you‘re right 🙂

[Chaemono]

Am 24.10.2018 um 14:19 schrieb Keith_W:

LUF regressive retort: go buy a Sony then! You are obviously not deserving of Leica. The slow start-up time of a Leica is a feature and not a bug.

The slow start-up time is the ‘Leica feel’ so that one can get into the mood for the ‘Leica look.’

[taosantamonica]

i was thinking of adding a m10p to my sl and m9m and selling off my m240.  got an email from b&h today with a $1000 off code for a m10p so went ahead and ordered it. wondering if the discount will become standard after the holidays. 

[paul chiu]

1 hour ago, taosantamonica said:

i was thinking of adding a m10p to my sl and m9m and selling off my m240.  got an email from b&h today with a $1000 off code for a m10p so went ahead and ordered it. wondering if the discount will become standard after the holidays. 

$6995 for the Leica M10P sounds great.  I paid full for mine just last month.  Enjoy!

[scott kirkpatrick]

$1000 is about the difference between buying the camera in the US and in Europe, thanks to the way the currencies are shifting around.  I paid $7995 for my M10-D just over a months ago, but that hen didn't have many teeth -- it wasn't widely available and still is scarce.  January might be a good time to get prices back in line across the world. 

[taosantamonica]

18 hours ago, paul chiu said:

$6995 for the Leica M10P sounds great.  I paid full for mine just last month.  Enjoy!

i bought my SL a month before that big price drop....b&h has a $600 off coupon on the SL now too.

[Reciprocity]

On 10/24/2018 at 12:35 AM, Talleyrand said:

Agreed 100%. In the beginning Leica was the camera of the professional. The Japanese could only copy it. Now, not too many working professionals put their trust in Leica. I'd say that even the M10 and M10-P are boutiquey crap. Satisfied to live on its heritage, Leica has abandoned the digital M as a professional working camera to the Japanese. I'd love to see Leica put their expertise into making their digital rangefinders into acceptable alternatives for pros. If not, then all we can expect is more of the same every, what, five years or so with multiple useless iterations in between. Living in the past.

While not exclusively, I use my M10 for my work as a full time pro,  a lot. Most of the time a 35mm 1.4 Asph lives on it and is such a good combination that I can rely on I don't even bother owning a 35mm lens in my other systems which are several and well stocked. My only gripe about the camera is the sharp shutter noise and that will be dealt with this Fall once Leica ramps up the upgrade tooling. I had an issue with the orientation sensor going out so I timed my shipment of the camera to Leica with a slower part of the year and got it back in time for it's intended task. 

It's easy to get annoyed with the special editions and boutique / luxury aspect of Leica, I get it. But my M10 is as much a tool as any other I own and I will continue to have expectations as such. 

Consider your self informed.

[low325]

I got that same email from BH too bad it didn’t apply to the -D. Tempted on the -P though.