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With Photokina approaching, the rumour mill is spinning up and I can feel the hype radiating from the forum; and of course from the Leica Rumours site, the recent misfires notwithstanding.

 

The M10-P has to be on the cards for the first variant of the M10 to be released and a Monochrom not far behind (though in the past, this has been the last release) - I have no inside or independent information (much as I distrust such claims).

 

My pick is that the M10-P announcement will be accompanied by, or quickly followed by, the M10 version of the M-D.  Hopefully, it will be based on the M10-P, rather than the stock M10 (I would rather have the traditional script and no red dot).  

 

I anticipate:

  • a blank back to the camera, as ISO will be by the pop-up rewind dial on the top left
  • compatibility with the EVF(020)
  • WiFi

WiFi and being able to use the EVF changes everything (for me, anyway) as it gives the "purist" choice of OVF only use, which is 90% of the appeal.  But for those situations where it is needed (say ultrawides and long lenses, or tricky photographic situations where you might want to check exposures, or meter or focus off centre, or confirm the focus and framing of an image), the EVF and the ability to use the App to control the camera is a game changer.

 

Mine will be black.

 

 

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How so?

 

The first sentence of my post acknowledges the Rumours post, and I'm talking about the M-D, not the M10-P.  Or did I miss something?

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With Photokina approaching, the rumour mill is spinning up and I can feel the hype radiating from the forum; and of course from the Leica Rumours site, the recent misfires notwithstanding.

 

The M10-P has to be on the cards for the first variant of the M10 to be released and a Monochrom not far behind (though in the past, this has been the last release) - I have no inside or independent information (much as I distrust such claims).

 

My pick is that the M10-P announcement will be accompanied by, or quickly followed by, the M10 version of the M-D.  Hopefully, it will be based on the M10-P, rather than the stock M10 (I would rather have the traditional script and no red dot).  

 

I anticipate:

  • a blank back to the camera, as ISO will be by the pop-up rewind dial on the top left
  • compatibility with the EVF(020)
  • WiFi

WiFi and being able to use the EVF changes everything (for me, anyway) as it gives the "purist" choice of OVF only use, which is 90% of the appeal.  But for those situations where it is needed (say ultrawides and long lenses, or tricky photographic situations where you might want to check exposures, or meter or focus off centre, or confirm the focus and framing of an image), the EVF and the ability to use the App to control the camera is a game changer.

 

Mine will be black.

 

I like it. How do you connect the camera to the app without the LCD? If Leica figures that out and it's backward compatible with the M10 both cameras would benefit. Right now using the app is kinda kludgy. Cheers, jc

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With Photokina approaching, the rumour mill is spinning up and I can feel the hype radiating from the forum; and of course from the Leica Rumours site, the recent misfires notwithstanding.

 

The M10-P has to be on the cards for the first variant of the M10 to be released and a Monochrom not far behind (though in the past, this has been the last release) - I have no inside or independent information (much as I distrust such claims).

 

My pick is that the M10-P announcement will be accompanied by, or quickly followed by, the M10 version of the M-D.  Hopefully, it will be based on the M10-P, rather than the stock M10 (I would rather have the traditional script and no red dot).  

 

I anticipate:

 

  • a blank back to the camera, as ISO will be by the pop-up rewind dial on the top left
  • compatibility with the EVF(020)
  • WiFi
WiFi and being able to use the EVF changes everything (for me, anyway) as it gives the "purist" choice of OVF only use, which is 90% of the appeal.  But for those situations where it is needed (say ultrawides and long lenses, or tricky photographic situations where you might want to check exposures, or meter or focus off centre, or confirm the focus and framing of an image), the EVF and the ability to use the App to control the camera is a game changer.

 

Mine will be black.

I think you are very close in your predictions with the exception that the EVF/wifi will not have playback or image review. It goes against the whole point of the MD. The EVF and wifi will be great for menu settings, firmware updates ultrawide and tele lenses.
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I like it. How do you connect the camera to the app without the LCD? If Leica figures that out and it's backward compatible with the M10 both cameras would benefit. Right now using the app is kinda kludgy. Cheers, jc

It can be done just from the iPhone end - I’m sure Leica will sort something (elegant or functional? Hmmm let’s wait and see).

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HI John

 

I think you are pretty much spot on. What i heard was announcement by year end for the 10-D. 

 

I do not have the M10, and am debating whether to go for a P or D version, especially if they come out in quick succession.

 

I currently have the M-D, which I love, even if sometimes it would be great to be able to review + would welcome a better Auto WB and M10 colours in general

 

Are others tossing coins as well or have their minds made up?

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M10-MD or M10-MDMonochrom with EVF Visoflex 020 compatible would be nice.

 

But to use this LCDless M plus EVF, some buttons or wheel must be added.

Leica may use clever idea from MD(typ 262) as the "multi-function" at same place as "video button".

 

I suggest the place where traditional ISO on back "door" can be converted to "navigation arrows" or circular wheel :p.

 

Maybe Leica would find other clever solution :D.

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As it stands the pop up ISO dial won't work as its limited in its scope of operation to whole stops rather than half or one third stops and then only from ISO100 to 6400, of course you have the programable M and auto settings but they're not much good on a camera with no LCD.

 

The MD 262's larger rear ISO dial is a better proposition as it has the diameter to allow a greater range of ISO's,also I thought the idea of the MD's was to be stripped back to being a basic range finder, kinda like an M6 with a digital back instead of film with the only controls aperture, shutter speed and ISO? if so I cant see it being released with the connections or hardware/firmware to allow the use of either wifi or an EVF.

 

Finally, both the MD and MM are very much niche products and much as I like the idea of an MD10M I'm concerned as to whether there is really a market there for it as well as a standard M10 Monochrom which I think most would expect and want to be released.

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As it stands the pop up ISO dial won't work as its limited in its scope of operation to whole stops rather than half or one third stops and then only from ISO100 to 6400, of course you have the programable M and auto settings but they're not much good on a camera with no LCD.

 

The MD 262's larger rear ISO dial is a better proposition as it has the diameter to allow a greater range of ISO's,also I thought the idea of the MD's was to be stripped back to being a basic range finder, kinda like an M6 with a digital back instead of film with the only controls aperture, shutter speed and ISO? if so I cant see it being released with the connections or hardware/firmware to allow the use of either wifi or an EVF.

 

Finally, both the MD and MM are very much niche products and much as I like the idea of an MD10M I'm concerned as to whether there is really a market there for it as well as a standard M10 Monochrom which I think most would expect and want to be released.

I’m confident I’ll have one in my hands by year’s end.

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I’m confident I’ll have one in my hands by year’s end.

if I remember correctly you had M240D, but sold it since. Why you think M10D will be any different, agree with post #12, D version is supposed to be stripped down ca,era sharing simplification like no EVF, as it was the case with previous M262 model.
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No, the M240 has a larger diameter opening and logo than either the M9 or M10, so the screws in the P versions follow.

Jeff

Despite size of actual opening hiding behind red dot Screw on M240P/246 is small, and looks much smaller than rumoured M10P.

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Here are some screenshots, judge for yourselves.

On my M246 i measured it to be 7mm across.

 

First M240P, second rumoured M10P.

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if I remember correctly you had M240D, but sold it since. Why you think M10D will be any different, agree with post #12, D version is supposed to be stripped down ca,era sharing simplification like no EVF, as it was the case with previous M262 model.

No, I had the M Edition 60 (based on the M240-P), which was different from the M-D, which was based on the M262. More critically, the M60 was a one-off design, and the M-D was a stock M262 with LCD screen removed. The functionality and body of the M-D was set by what was already in the M262, including the rear dial (which the M60 did not have).

 

I don’t think the M10 version of the M-D will be different - it’s not “supposed” to be anything - it will be based on the standard M10 without an LCD - same body form, but with the leather going across a blank back. But, unlike the M60, as the click on EVF(020) is a standard accessory and WiFi comes as standard on the M10, it will be included in the M-D.

 

I also hope the M-D is based on the M10-P, but I suspect not. Time will tell.

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Here are some screenshots, judge for yourselves.

On my M246 i measured it to be 7mm across.

 

First M240P, second rumoured M10P.

Apart from any size difference, the M10 pic seems to show the screw head flush with the body, unlike the protruding one on the earlier version.

 

I’m sure these differences are enough to cause some here to call the police or reach for their meds. Or, even better, to spend an extra $1k or more. Life in Leica land.

 

Jeff

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