Ko.Fe. Posted August 3, 2018 Share #21 Posted August 3, 2018 Advertisement (gone after registration) I don't know. I just looked through the most recent 4 pages of MM1 images and I don't see all that many grey-in-grey flat images. I won't argue that all of the images are "good." I see a couple of images that could be considered flat but I believe that was the intention. For instance: I checked those and first as well. And MM2 as well. Not so much of the difference in gobbles of grey . I was one going about MM grey images, but looking on film scans at forums and prints at exhibitions helped me to realise what people might prefer it. Not BW, but grey. On my regular monitor, PC on Jaap's merit shots I could see artaffical black and overblown whites. I prefer then I see details instead of black and overblows, then I call it "full range". And I overgrown Silver Efex, I'm afraid. Looks like all it does is some removal of image "data". But I like how it does frames. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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dkmoore Posted August 4, 2018 Share #22 Posted August 4, 2018 This is over processed but it took literally 5 seconds in SilverFX and looks decent, so I can understand the appeal (took this today). Not to mention it is free. So many different tastes, etc. Another thread was talking about Winogrand and his photos have a lot more greys. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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rfunnell Posted August 4, 2018 Share #24 Posted August 4, 2018 When the original Monochrom was launched I purchased the camera and really loved it. and then the Monochrom 2 came along I traded the MM1 in kept that for a year but didn't really bond with it . Today I have purchased a near new Henri or original monochrome. it's so good to have it back. [/url]Glad to have my old friend Henri back by Ross Funnell, on Flickr">https://Glad to have my old friend Henri back by Ross Funnell, on Flickr 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
rfunnell Posted August 4, 2018 Share #25 Posted August 4, 2018 One more image from a stormy day in Perth today. Monochrom M9 with Leica 21 Elmarit-M F2.8 ASPH [/url]Looking up our street by Ross Funnell, on Flickr">https://Looking up our street by Ross Funnell, on Flickr Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted August 4, 2018 Author Share #26 Posted August 4, 2018 I checked those and first as well. And MM2 as well. Not so much of the difference in gobbles of grey . I was one going about MM grey images, but looking on film scans at forums and prints at exhibitions helped me to realise what people might prefer it. Not BW, but grey. On my regular monitor, PC on Jaap's merit shots I could see artaffical black and overblown whites. I prefer then I see details instead of black and overblows, then I call it "full range". And I overgrown Silver Efex, I'm afraid. Looks like all it does is some removal of image "data". But I like how it does frames. Just look at that histogram of Dunk's shot: Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Nearly all tonal values are completely bunched up to the left half. It has no white point and no black point.That leaves half the tonal range. Tonal range is what the Monochrom is about. I would suggest you check your monitor, BTW. On my shots black was set at 5,5,5, white at 250,250,250. On my Eizo CG the shadows and highlights are well differentiated and the images would print well. Do you happen to use a Retina screen? Those make a mess of contrast, especially older ones. I agree that SE is nice for starters, but can easily be bettered. Quote Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Nearly all tonal values are completely bunched up to the left half. It has no white point and no black point.That leaves half the tonal range. Tonal range is what the Monochrom is about. I would suggest you check your monitor, BTW. On my shots black was set at 5,5,5, white at 250,250,250. On my Eizo CG the shadows and highlights are well differentiated and the images would print well. Do you happen to use a Retina screen? Those make a mess of contrast, especially older ones. I agree that SE is nice for starters, but can easily be bettered. ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/287077-contrast-and-tonal-range-on-the-mm1/?do=findComment&comment=3566895'>More sharing options...
CharlesL Posted August 5, 2018 Share #27 Posted August 5, 2018 Advertisement (gone after registration) ...My technique is: Set white and black point in Levels Adjust tonal range in Levels Set curves to linear contrat Dodge and burn If desired, adjust contrast and brightness I am a novice -- what is "Set curves to linear contrast" - the concept, since I don't use Lightroom or PS. Thank you. M240 and some crushed shadows: Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff S Posted August 5, 2018 Share #28 Posted August 5, 2018 (edited) I am a novice -- what is "Set curves to linear contrast" - the concept, since I don't use Lightroom or PS. Thank you. ] https://www.cambridgeincolour.com/tutorials/photoshop-curves.htm Jeff Edited August 5, 2018 by Jeff S Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
CharlesL Posted August 5, 2018 Share #29 Posted August 5, 2018 https://www.cambridgeincolour.com/tutorials/photoshop-curves.htm Jeff Yes, thanks, I knew about S-curves. It is the linear contrast operation that I'm not sure about. Does it mean that you make the line from the black point to the white point a straight line at whatever diagonal it works out to? Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff S Posted August 5, 2018 Share #30 Posted August 5, 2018 Yes, with effects illustrated in the link I provided. Jeff Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted August 6, 2018 Author Share #31 Posted August 6, 2018 Yes, thanks, I knew about S-curves. It is the linear contrast operation that I'm not sure about. Does it mean that you make the line from the black point to the white point a straight line at whatever diagonal it works out to? It is a preset in the curves dialog. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff S Posted August 6, 2018 Share #32 Posted August 6, 2018 LR also has quick settings for linear, medium and high contrast. Plus various ways to adjust curves manually or with sliders, etc. Jeff Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
01af Posted August 6, 2018 Share #33 Posted August 6, 2018 Am I the only one to see this? Most of the pictures shown in this thread suffer from the ubiquituous issue (i. e. depressed mid-tones) addressed here: http://theonlinephotographer.typepad.com/the_online_photographer/2017/07/how-to-cure-the-digital-bw-nasties.html http://theonlinephotographer.typepad.com/the_online_photographer/2017/07/look-at-tone-as-light.html Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff S Posted August 6, 2018 Share #34 Posted August 6, 2018 Surely not the only one. Jeff Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
dkmoore Posted August 7, 2018 Share #35 Posted August 7, 2018 Am I the only one to see this? Most of the pictures shown in this thread suffer from the ubiquituous issue (i. e. depressed mid-tones) addressed here: http://theonlinephotographer.typepad.com/the_online_photographer/2017/07/how-to-cure-the-digital-bw-nasties.html http://theonlinephotographer.typepad.com/the_online_photographer/2017/07/look-at-tone-as-light.html Can you take one of the images posted on this thread and adjust using the tonal curve adjustments to your liking? (not a smart ass question) The article was solid and there is a lot of great info on the site so I appreciate you sharing. I don't recommend using my image as it was overexposed to begin with. Was using as an example for making a "decent image" from SilverFX in 30 seconds. That being said, I could surely use some tips and learning for the tone curve adjustments. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
CharlesL Posted August 7, 2018 Share #36 Posted August 7, 2018 Can you take one of the images posted on this thread and adjust using the tonal curve adjustments to your liking? (not a smart ass question) Here is one alternative, an S-curve with a shift from the right to take advantage of unused highlight room. Of course, it is a matter of taste and desired mood. Also, the after-shot shows some all-black areas on the rocks. They could be handled with local adjustment or other tools, but some people think a patch of black is good in every photo. The program is Picture Window Pro. Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/287077-contrast-and-tonal-range-on-the-mm1/?do=findComment&comment=3568092'>More sharing options...
01af Posted August 7, 2018 Share #37 Posted August 7, 2018 ... an S-curve with a shift from the right to take advantage of unused highlight room. That works admirably well for dkmoore's picture ... but this is not the typical case of depressed mid-tones, unlike almost any other picture in this thread. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
dkmoore Posted August 8, 2018 Share #38 Posted August 8, 2018 That works admirably well for dkmoore's picture ... but this is not the typical case of depressed mid-tones, unlike almost any other picture in this thread. Just for clarification: the above picture of the rocks was another posters. When you refer to dkmoore's picture are you referring to the rocks or the cityscape? I am playing around with a similar S curve with my image (cityscape) and it seems to make the overexposure more readily apparent. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
01af Posted August 9, 2018 Share #39 Posted August 9, 2018 (edited) When you refer to dkmoore's picture are you referring to the rocks or the cityscape? The rocks on a beach. That's not your picture? Then why does it appear in a post of yours? Ever heard of that concept named 'copyright'? Your cityscape does have those dreaded depressed mid-tones. Edited August 9, 2018 by 01af 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
dkmoore Posted August 11, 2018 Share #40 Posted August 11, 2018 The rocks on a beach. That's not your picture? Then why does it appear in a post of yours? Ever heard of that concept named 'copyright'? Your cityscape does have those dreaded depressed mid-tones. I thought it was pretty clear that I was referencing other posters images. If you re-read I think you will agree. "I see a couple of images that could be considered flat but I believe that was the intention. For instance:" Yes, after the "for instance" I could have added ..."for instance one of the posters images below" So much hostility when I am actually trying to learn and understand something....Isn't that the point of this forum? Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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