tombre Posted July 2, 2018 Share #1 Posted July 2, 2018 Advertisement (gone after registration) I have encountered a problem with my Leica CL after using exposure bracketing. I had set up Exposure Bracketing on the top right button for easy access. I then used the function for some landscape images, once finished I turned the function off. Later I realised the camera metering seemed a bit wayward, but wasn't sure what was happening. It was only after I returned home that I realised that whilst the function was switched off in the menus, it was still being applied to every photo I took in the sequence of (say) -2eV, 0eV, +2eV. I tried a number of ways to get it to switch off, so if I changed the parameters to say -1eV, 0eV, 1eV then switched the function off, it would still persist but with the changed parameters. When Exposure Bracketing is switched on, it is obvious as the camera takes the burst of three or five images in rapid succession. However, when switched off it only takes a single image so it is not obvious that it hasn't, in fact, switched off. The other oddity is that both the EVF and the main screen show the image as normal (with no exposure compensation) so again it is not obvious when taking the image that exposure bracketing is still activated. It is only when previewing images (which I rarely do) that you see the incorrect exposure. The only way I have been able to disable Exposure Bracketing is to reset the camera which is very annoying. Has anyone else had a similar experience. If so, have you been able to figure out how to switch it off ? I have reported it to Leica Australia but they have advised that they haven't come across the problem before. Heading off on a four day hiking trip shortly so would like to get this sorted to avoid having to carry a Canon 5D instead. I could revert to just setting exposure compensation each time I want to bracket images, but that is very slow in comparison. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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jaapv Posted July 2, 2018 Share #2 Posted July 2, 2018 Go to Drive mode, set exposure bracketing and Automatic --> on To switch off, Automatic --> off Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
tombre Posted July 3, 2018 Author Share #3 Posted July 3, 2018 Thanks Jaap, I should have clarified that I have tried turning it off via the Drive Mode in Menu and using the top right function button. Neither method actually disables fully the exposure bracketing. Each subsequent photo follows the pattern of one image under exposed, the next image at the normal exposure and the third image over exposed. If I switch the camera off and back on again, the same cycle repeats itself. Likewise removing the battery does not change the behaviour. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wda Posted July 3, 2018 Share #4 Posted July 3, 2018 I suggest you consult your dealer. No-one else has reported this behaviour. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ramarren Posted July 3, 2018 Share #5 Posted July 3, 2018 I'd also try doing a reset. It sounds like something is stuck in the configuration: Clearing everything, then setting it up to work the way you want should fix it. Have you installed firmware v2 yet? Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
tombre Posted July 6, 2018 Author Share #6 Posted July 6, 2018 Thanks for the responses. I have advised Leica Australia and their response was along the lines of "we haven't come across that before so have referred it to Leica in Germany". I have also reset the camera twice. When resetting I used the option Reset Numbering = No, Reset User Functions = No. That temporarily fixes the problem, but when you use exposure bracketing again, the problem returns. I might try it with Reset User Functions = Yes and see how it goes. But by the sound of it, I seem to have a one off problem. I haven't installed Firmware v2 yet. It wasn't mentioned in the list of bug fixes and the response I have seen to v2 on sites such as Macfilos and here hasn't filled me with confidence. My two biggest issues with the CL have been this problem with exposure bracketing and my constant inadvertent re-positioning of the focus point with the four way controller buttons. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
scott kirkpatrick Posted July 6, 2018 Share #7 Posted July 6, 2018 Advertisement (gone after registration) Install V2 firmware. It has a few improvements, and the things people have objected to can be turned off. After installation, set "power mode" to OFF to keep it from going into standby more quickly than most people want to. There are bugs fixed in V2, and not all were documented. If you want help from Leica for what may indeed be a bug that you are reporting (since it is not something commonly tested), you have to be using the latest firmware. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
tombre Posted July 6, 2018 Author Share #8 Posted July 6, 2018 Thanks Scott that's good advice on v2 firmware. I raised the issue with Leica Australia a few days before they announced the release of v2. So my timing wasn't great. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
danielfrimley Posted July 6, 2018 Share #9 Posted July 6, 2018 [...] There are bugs fixed in V2, and not all were documented. [...]Totally OT, but I think that's discraceful. If I did that at my work I'd be seriously harangued - absolutely dreadful practice. If it's not acknowledged, reproduced, logged then addressed it's not fixed, or even exists, as far as I'm concerned. There should be a full changelog summary with every release (proprietary information aside of course) - whether you're Leica or Microsoft, it's the same. Soz, rant over. :-) Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ramarren Posted July 6, 2018 Share #10 Posted July 6, 2018 (edited) Totally OT, but I think that's discraceful. If I did that at my work I'd be seriously harangued - absolutely dreadful practice. If it's not acknowledged, reproduced, logged then addressed it's not fixed, or even exists, as far as I'm concerned. There should be a full changelog summary with every release (proprietary information aside of course) - whether you're Leica or Microsoft, it's the same. Soz, rant over. Um, I disagree. No manufacturer of anything that I'm aware of actually publishes all the things that they fix in a firmware or software update. The only part of what you say that I agree with is that all the work that goes into the product must be logged and documented. When I worked with engineering teams on software upgrades and wrote the release notes to be used in publication, the presented listing of fixed bugs in internal records often ran into the hundreds. It would be ridiculous to post that huge and unwieldy a list to the world, even to developers, because many of those bugs were truly trivial and had never been actually reported from the field... they came from internal testing and algorithm development efforts. So I worked with the teams' help to refine what was published to the useful and informative subset that needed to be published for external users. There's a big difference between what you record and log as your development activity and what you publish to the world. I'm sure Leica knows precisely and exactly what their engineering development team did, and has it all logged. Edited July 6, 2018 by ramarren Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
danielfrimley Posted July 6, 2018 Share #11 Posted July 6, 2018 Um, I disagree. No manufacturer of anything that I'm aware of actually publishes all the things that they fix in a firmware or software update. The only part of what you say that I agree with is that all the work that goes into the product must be logged and documented. When I worked with engineering teams on software upgrades and wrote the release notes to be used in publication, the presented listing of fixed bugs in internal records often ran into the hundreds. It would be ridiculous to post that huge and unwieldy a list to the world, even to developers, because many of those bugs were truly trivial and had never been actually reported from the field... they came from internal testing and algorithm development efforts. So I worked with the teams' help to refine what was published to the useful and informative subset that needed to be published for external users. There's a big difference between what you record and log as your development activity and what you publish to the world. I'm sure Leica knows precisely and exactly what their engineering development team did, and has it all logged. Absolutely fair. Would you agree that what Leica had chosen to publish is inadequate in that it comprises primarily feature updates NOT bug fixes? Does Leica publish any kind of bug tracker that users can see what Leica have acknowledged and are working on? Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ramarren Posted July 6, 2018 Share #12 Posted July 6, 2018 Absolutely fair. Would you agree that what Leica had chosen to publish is inadequate in that it comprises primarily feature updates NOT bug fixes? Does Leica publish any kind of bug tracker that users can see what Leica have acknowledged and are working on? I don't know of any such thing. The bugs they fixed might or might not have even been reported from the public ... Sometimes you just deduce that something that was a bug has been fixed because it was a minor or occasional annoyance in the earlier firmware that you just accepted and now it doesn't happen any more. And sometimes new bugs are introduced as well, and even Leica doesn't know about them yet. No one can list all the things that they don't know about yet... I'm okay with a statement that: "These three things are new, and we did clean up on a lot of other minor stuff too." If I didn't notice, or wasn't overly concerned, that something was amiss before and it isn't amiss now, the net sum is zero anyway. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
danielfrimley Posted July 6, 2018 Share #13 Posted July 6, 2018 Fair enough. I would however like a little bit more clarity Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
tombre Posted July 8, 2018 Author Share #14 Posted July 8, 2018 Okay I think I have resolved the problem (my error). To enable Exposure Bracketing via the Menu you go to Drive mode and select Exposure Bracketing. This then takes you to the submenu where you set how many exposures, how many stops between exposures etc. If Automatic is set to Off then Exposure Bracketing works manually, that is you have to press the shutter button three times for a three exposure bracket. If Automatic is set to On, then you press the shutter button once and all three exposures are captured in rapid succession. If you set the right function button to include Exposure Bracketing, the camera automatically sets Drive Mode to Exposure Bracketing and opens the settings submenu. I was using the submenu to set Automatic to On or Off, thinking that set Exposure Bracketing on or off. So you need to first set Automatic to Off, then return to the Main Menu and set Drive Mode to something other than Exposure Bracketing. The slightly odd behaviour is that when Automatic is set to Off and you are triggering the shutter manually (three times for a three bracket exposure), the EVF does not show the exposure before the shot is taken for the -eV and +eV shots. This is different to using Exposure Compensation where, as you dial in compensation, the EVF shows you the reduced or increase exposure in advance of taking the shot. I have Auto Review set to off so post the shot being taken I have no warning that Exposure Bracketing is still set to On, other than the little icons at the top of the screen (I also usually have these hidden). So thanks Jaap, you were spot on with your initial response. So my only gripe left is the wandering focus point. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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