Mark II Posted June 30, 2018 Share #41 Posted June 30, 2018 Advertisement (gone after registration) How does an electronic level work? I'm sure it's not a mercury switch... ... I believe that it is just a very sensitive accelerometer, like the ones used in most phones today. Smooth out handshake and you are left measuring the acceleration due to gravity. Normally these are built with specialised silicon structures, so it is likely that the functionality needs a chip external to the M10’s Maestro. Re the aperture measurement - the M10 has always estimated the aperture. It has to do this so that the DNG corrections made for colour cast and vignetting can be determined, as these depend on aperture. Baking these in based on an imprecise measurement remains a very bad idea: the raw data should be untouched and the estimated aperture used only as a starting point when developing the files. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Advertisement Posted June 30, 2018 Posted June 30, 2018 Hi Mark II, Take a look here Leica M10 FW-Update 2.4.5.0 brings an improved Auto ISO option and more!. I'm sure you'll find what you were looking for!
adan Posted June 30, 2018 Share #42 Posted June 30, 2018 Hah! - found a (minor) bug in the new firmware already. My 135 f/4.0 Tele-Elmar, gets listed in pictures' EXIF data (at least in the camera info on review) as a "3.99/135". Even for pictures I took before upgrading the firmware, so it is a read error, not necessarily a write error. Will know more once I copy some pix over to Adobe Bridge. What's Leica's "bug report" process and contact? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jonoslack Posted June 30, 2018 Share #43 Posted June 30, 2018 On what basis do you assume that the spirit level can be restored simply with firmware? Well, Exactly. I've talked about this on several occasions, most recently last week at Wetzlar and I can say two things 1. It cannot be restored by firmware (the camera doesn't have the necessary hardware) 2. It isn't going to happen! All the best 8 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
evikne Posted June 30, 2018 Share #44 Posted June 30, 2018 Is a fast, electronic shutter possible with a firmware update? If that's the case, that would be my number one wish for the next time! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
UliWer Posted June 30, 2018 Share #45 Posted June 30, 2018 (edited) Hah! - found a (minor) bug in the new firmware already. My 135 f/4.0 Tele-Elmar, gets listed in pictures' EXIF data (at least in the camera info on review) as a "3.99/135". Even for pictures I took before upgrading the firmware, so it is a read error, not necessarily a write error. Will know more once I copy some pix over to Adobe Bridge. What's Leica's "bug report" process and contact? Yes, I noticed this as well with the 4/90 Macro-Elmar: on first view on the display it was correctly indicated as 4/90. When I came back to the picture after switching off and on it gained 0.01 f-stop an showed as 3.99/90... As far as I can see until now Lightroom „corrects“ it again to 4/90. Though perhaps the camera software knows better and the lens really has an opening of 1:3,99.... P.S: Tried again with an uncoded old 4/90 Elmar with lens detection for the 4/90 Macro-Elmar chosen from the manual list: at first it looked as if the indication stayed at „4/90“. But after several switches off and on it became „3,99/90“ again. Edited June 30, 2018 by UliWer Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
cafecacao Posted June 30, 2018 Share #46 Posted June 30, 2018 In Lens Detection menu, , gear M10 & summicron 28 asph v2, Lens Detection is auto, it is right with my summicron 28 asph v2 but I can not select Manual M & Manual R (dark letters) as previous fw, any wrong thing here? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
microview Posted June 30, 2018 Share #47 Posted June 30, 2018 Advertisement (gone after registration) It's not like the electronic spirit level pops up in hot pink in the viewfinder and shouts at you whenever you turn the camera on. It is NOT a gimmick but increases the versatility of the camera for tripod work and especially with WA lenses. Not necessary for tripod mounting as you can slide bubble level into hot shoe when mounting camera and locking level. Was always useful 'in the hand' with earlier Ms. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lucena Posted June 30, 2018 Share #48 Posted June 30, 2018 Thanks Leica... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
indergaard Posted June 30, 2018 Share #49 Posted June 30, 2018 (edited) Well, Exactly. I've talked about this on several occasions, most recently last week at Wetzlar and I can say two things 1. It cannot be restored by firmware (the camera doesn't have the necessary hardware) 2. It isn't going to happen! All the best Well that's sad to read, considering that Leica Customer Service has said that this WOULD be added to a future firmware update. So either they lied, or did not know what they were talking about. Not very nice or professional, regardless of reason. Considering that you can get 6-axis motion tracking devices in normal sizes of 3 x 3 x 0.9 mm, and even smaller, it shouldn't have been a problem fitting this inside the M10. Remember, that is a 6-axis motion tracking device that includes a 3-axis accelerometer, gyroscope, and an onboard digital motion sensor. It also operates at only 1.8 volts and consumes only 6.1mW of power. These specs are taken from a motion tracking device that was released in 2012, which by 2017 was probably optimized and reduced in size even more. EDIT: Was able to find a 1 x 1 x 0.9 mm accelerometer, the mCube MC3571. It is basically smaller than a grain of sand. Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Sounds more like a "slash costs at all costs" measure than a space or energy savings effort to me. Some of us actually use our M's on tripods for various work. And removing such a useful feature, that existed in the M240 and all it's iterations, is simply silly and cheap. Edited June 30, 2018 by indergaard 3 Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Sounds more like a "slash costs at all costs" measure than a space or energy savings effort to me. Some of us actually use our M's on tripods for various work. And removing such a useful feature, that existed in the M240 and all it's iterations, is simply silly and cheap. ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/286070-leica-m10-fw-update-2450-brings-an-improved-auto-iso-option-and-more/?do=findComment&comment=3546748'>More sharing options...
Jeff S Posted June 30, 2018 Share #50 Posted June 30, 2018 (edited) While I’m always pleased to see Leica providing FW updates to meet customer needs, including this one, I’m in no particular hurry to install. For MY style of M shooting, the M10 was already fine. I never delete pics in camera; plenty of time to do that later in PP if needed. Likewise, don’t use auto ISO, very long exposures, continuous shooting, or profiles. For me, the M is typically a handheld single shot device, used in manual mode. And I haven’t missed often inaccurate aperture estimates; I generally remember better on my own. I’ll update anyway, as maybe there are some other tweaks we don’t know about. But not before any significant bugs have been ruled out. So far, so good. That said, keep the FW updates for all Leica cameras coming; it’s an area where some other companies excel. Jeff Edited June 30, 2018 by Jeff S Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
adan Posted June 30, 2018 Share #51 Posted June 30, 2018 In Lens Detection menu, , gear M10 & summicron 28 asph v2, Lens Detection is auto, it is right with my summicron 28 asph v2 but I can not select Manual M & Manual R (dark letters) as previous fw, any wrong thing here? That has been normal for me all along - with a coded lens mounted, the menus for ID-ing uncoded lenses are disabled. No need for them as the camera already knows which lens is in use. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark II Posted June 30, 2018 Share #52 Posted June 30, 2018 Sounds more like a "slash costs at all costs" measure than a space or energy savings effort to me. There might be other constraints. For example, IO pin-outs on the main ASIC can be very limited and maybe (for example) the addition of WiFi with decent throughput meant that some trade-offs were needed. It might also have been planned to add the level meter to the EVF, but this was canned when the decision to use the existing 020 was made. So who is going to be the first to dismantle their M10 to check if there really is an accelerometer chip that is left unused?! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
indergaard Posted June 30, 2018 Share #53 Posted June 30, 2018 There might be other constraints. For example, IO pin-outs on the main ASIC can be very limited and maybe (for example) the addition of WiFi with decent throughput meant that some trade-offs were needed. It might also have been planned to add the level meter to the EVF, but this was canned when the decision to use the existing 020 was made. So who is going to be the first to dismantle their M10 to check if there really is an accelerometer chip that is left unused?! That might be true, but still... The M10 uses the Maestro II engine, which AFAIK is identical on the M10 and SL, so... And yes, it might have been planned for the EVF, which makes sense, since it's when I use the EVF I would appreciate having the feature myself. Which means that I can't just attach a hot-shoe spirit level, as people seem to suggest as a workaround. Either product differentiation and simplification went too far, or it was a cost cutting measure, one of those two are the only options that makes sense. I'm pretty sure the spirit level will return as a feature in the upcoming M10-P. And if that's the case then it'll explain it all. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keek Posted June 30, 2018 Share #54 Posted June 30, 2018 Hello. Maybe someone know - it is possible to take only the one picture in Continuous Speed mode? Especially in 5 fr/s? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
evikne Posted June 30, 2018 Share #55 Posted June 30, 2018 Hello. Maybe someone know - it is possible to take only the one picture in Continuous Speed mode? Especially in 5 fr/s? The same question is just answered here in another thread: https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/285992-new-firmware-for-m10-arrived/?p=3546781 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
fred244 Posted June 30, 2018 Share #56 Posted June 30, 2018 Updates also include a fix to the playback display of any exposure compensation used, was always giving a -3 value no matter the exp comp input. Now shows actual value used. Thanks ! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
tonyniev Posted June 30, 2018 Share #57 Posted June 30, 2018 Help- I downloaded the firmware and inserted the sd card when I go to the camera information and firmware, it just show the firmware version, I cannot get to the prompt "update frimware" what is the right step after going to camerainformation/firmware what do I push the center button? any other camera settings that need to adjust. Thanks btw my SD card does not show root directory? it just show M10- Leica 100 and misc. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
M11 for me Posted June 30, 2018 Share #58 Posted June 30, 2018 The root has NOTHING before it. There you have to place the firmware. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
tonyniev Posted June 30, 2018 Share #59 Posted June 30, 2018 The root has NOTHING before it. There you have to place the firmware. where is the root does not shwo on my sd card, I see that in my Sony, when I refromat the card on th eM10 i there any ther settings to change? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
M11 for me Posted June 30, 2018 Share #60 Posted June 30, 2018 Nothing is called „root“ on your card. In your Windows Explorer or your finder (Mac) you see the name of your card. And just after this name should come your firmware that you have downloaded. Dis you do like that? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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