IkarusJohn Posted May 5, 2018 Share #1 Posted May 5, 2018 Advertisement (gone after registration) I have the 24-90 Vario-Elmarit-SL zoom and the 21 Summilux-M prime. The overlap of the new 16-35 gives me 16-21 more range. 5mm of focal length. Furthermore, I’m not convinced I need AF or zoom at this wide end. I used to have the rather lovely Zeiss Distagon 15/2.8 ZM prime, but I got sick of correcting red edge. Sadly, Leica hasn’t announced a wide prime for the SL. I’m sorely tempted to go back to the Distagon. What alternatives do people use? I wouldn’t go wider than 12 or longer than 18. What are people’s thoughts? Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Steve McGarrett Posted May 5, 2018 Share #2 Posted May 5, 2018 I have the 24-90 Vario-Elmarit-SL zoom and the 21 Summilux-M prime. The overlap of the new 16-35 gives me 16-21 more range. 5mm of focal length. Furthermore, I’m not convinced I need AF or zoom at this wide end. I used to have the rather lovely Zeiss Distagon 15/2.8 ZM prime, but I got sick of correcting red edge. Sadly, Leica hasn’t announced a wide prime for the SL. I’m sorely tempted to go back to the Distagon. What alternatives do people use? I wouldn’t go wider than 12 or longer than 18. What are people’s thoughts? SEM 18, WATE, Distagon ZF 15, Voigtlander 15/4.5 v3... 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest VVJ Posted May 5, 2018 Share #3 Posted May 5, 2018 I have the Voigtlander 10mm lens and in the beginning of the year also acquired the Voigtlander 15mm. I unfortunately sold the SEM 21mm when getting into the SL-system. I have been thinking about buying it again, or alternatively the SEM 18mm. I also use the Elmarit-M 28mm, mostly to go light though... I am sure the 16-35mm is optically brilliant but it is also expensive, heavy, slow, has too much of an overlap with the 24-90 and comes with no OIS... With no wide angle primes in sight yet I have also started considering the Hasselblad X1D with the upcoming 21mm (to be announced Monday) and the Sony A9 with 12-24mm (565g). 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
darylgo Posted May 5, 2018 Share #4 Posted May 5, 2018 The Leica 18mm is a little gem and the reason I haven't purchased a WATE, it's sharper. It will compliment your 21mm when you prefer a smaller option. The distagon ZM had issues for me, maybe my copy only exhibited smeared edges and corners. There have been rare occasions when 18mm was not wide enough so I stitched, a preference lately with wide coverage and less background recession. Nonetheless the 16-35 beckons. 3 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
FlashGordonPhotography Posted May 6, 2018 Share #5 Posted May 6, 2018 The WATE/CV 12mm or SIgma 12-24/Novoflex adaptor were my go to. Now, since I have it, I use the CL with 11-23. Wide angle solution, backup and 1.5x tele-converter all rolled into one. And bizarrely you can use it with the 24-90 and 90-280 and have no overlap!! Gordon 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
IkarusJohn Posted May 6, 2018 Author Share #6 Posted May 6, 2018 Thanks Gordon - I think I will stick with the 11-23 on the SL for now (just under 17 to just under 35 field of view, albeit in in APS-C crop). The 21 Summilux handles well on the SL, so I think this is enough ... Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
meerec Posted May 6, 2018 Share #7 Posted May 6, 2018 Advertisement (gone after registration) I have the 24-90 Vario-Elmarit-SL zoom and the 21 Summilux-M prime. The overlap of the new 16-35 gives me 16-21 more range. 5mm of focal length. Furthermore, I’m not convinced I need AF or zoom at this wide end. I used to have the rather lovely Zeiss Distagon 15/2.8 ZM prime, but I got sick of correcting red edge. Sadly, Leica hasn’t announced a wide prime for the SL. I’m sorely tempted to go back to the Distagon. What alternatives do people use? I wouldn’t go wider than 12 or longer than 18. What are people’s thoughts? SEM 18 VC 10 I’m happy with both 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
FlashGordonPhotography Posted May 6, 2018 Share #8 Posted May 6, 2018 How's the Voigtlander 10 in the corners Meerec? Gordon Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RoySmith Posted May 6, 2018 Share #9 Posted May 6, 2018 I second the SEM 18 & CV 15 III, they are great, I couldn’t resist the 16-38 SL and have ordered one. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
thighslapper Posted May 6, 2018 Share #10 Posted May 6, 2018 I use the WATE and CV 12 (and rarely the CV 10) for landscape and the image quality is excellent, plus it is a light and small combo... ...but ..... I use filters for landscape and fitting adapters to both of them involves a hacksaw, file and a lot of fiddling to avoid light leaks. For that reason alone I will replace the WATE with the 16-35 so I have a uniform 82mm thread. I also have the option of leaving the 24-90 and and taking my 75/2 SL for longer shots. The CV12 now has an 82mm adapter ring permanently fitted and takes up minimal room. Each new SL lens gives yet more options to tailor things to your precise needs ...... 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bohns Posted May 6, 2018 Share #11 Posted May 6, 2018 Hi ! I have the SL with VE SL 24-90. To go wider, I use both SEM 21 and the marvelous Voigt 15 vIII. This one is really good and far less expensive than other alternatives from Zeiss or Leica. It is very well controlled in both distorsion and CA, and despite its quite slow aperture, it is also very good at dark skies photo. I would surely elect it as the best quality/price ratio of all the gear I own. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
fotonutzz Posted May 6, 2018 Share #12 Posted May 6, 2018 Have you considered using a Canon 16-35/F2.8L with the Novoflex EF-SL adapter? You still get AF and F2.8 After all, the EF 16-35/F2.8L is a very good lens Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
satijntje Posted May 6, 2018 Share #13 Posted May 6, 2018 Bought a 18mm SEM Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
meerec Posted May 6, 2018 Share #14 Posted May 6, 2018 How's the Voigtlander 10 in the corners Meerec? Gordon It is excellent in my opinion. Some vignetting that is dealt easily with. It fits my lenses collection well: 10, 18, 24, 35, 50, 75, 90, 90-280. I used to have CV 15 but replaced it with the CV 10 when I bought the SEM 18 to make a better separation of focal lengths. It’s remarkably small and light and so well made. Can’t fault it. 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RoySmith Posted May 6, 2018 Share #15 Posted May 6, 2018 Bought a 18mm SEM You’ll love it. Works great on the SL Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vieri Posted May 6, 2018 Share #16 Posted May 6, 2018 I have the 24-90 Vario-Elmarit-SL zoom and the 21 Summilux-M prime. The overlap of the new 16-35 gives me 16-21 more range. 5mm of focal length. Furthermore, I’m not convinced I need AF or zoom at this wide end. I used to have the rather lovely Zeiss Distagon 15/2.8 ZM prime, but I got sick of correcting red edge. Sadly, Leica hasn’t announced a wide prime for the SL. I’m sorely tempted to go back to the Distagon. What alternatives do people use? I wouldn’t go wider than 12 or longer than 18. What are people’s thoughts? To me, it all boils down to what you photograph. If you do landscape photography and use filters heavily, as I do (and as thighslapper does, at least when he is in the field with me during my Workshops), this makes a lot of sense: I use the WATE and CV 12 (and rarely the CV 10) for landscape and the image quality is excellent, plus it is a light and small combo... ...but ..... I use filters for landscape and fitting adapters to both of them involves a hacksaw, file and a lot of fiddling to avoid light leaks. For that reason alone I will replace the WATE with the 16-35 so I have a uniform 82mm thread. I also have the option of leaving the 24-90 and and taking my 75/2 SL for longer shots. The CV12 now has an 82mm adapter ring permanently fitted and takes up minimal room. Each new SL lens gives yet more options to tailor things to your precise needs ...... More, the SEM 18 and the Distagon 15mm f/2.8 aren't in fact much faster than the 16-35mm at 18mm and 16mm: 15mm f/2.8 vs 16mm f/3.5 (half stop), and 18mm f/3.8 vs the 16-35mm at 18mm = f/3.6, so the zoom would be minimally faster here. Also: - The 15mm Distagon + your 21mm = 820 gr + 580 gr = 1.400 gr in the bag, vs 990 for the 16-35mm More, primes are not weather-sealed, and don't have autofocus - in case either is important for you. Just some food for thought to reconsider the convenience that the 16-35mm offers, but as I said at the beginning, it all boils down to what you photograph. Best regards, Vieri 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
FlashGordonPhotography Posted May 6, 2018 Share #17 Posted May 6, 2018 I use the WATE and CV 12 (and rarely the CV 10) for landscape and the image quality is excellent, plus it is a light and small combo... ...but ..... I use filters for landscape and fitting adapters to both of them involves a hacksaw, file and a lot of fiddling to avoid light leaks. For that reason alone I will replace the WATE with the 16-35 so I have a uniform 82mm thread. I also have the option of leaving the 24-90 and and taking my 75/2 SL for longer shots. The CV12 now has an 82mm adapter ring permanently fitted and takes up minimal room. Each new SL lens gives yet more options to tailor things to your precise needs ...... I have the proper 67mm adaptor ring for my WATE. It comes with the little light shield and I taped the viewing hole. To that I can add a Lee adaptor (I use Lee and NiSi filters) or a 67-82mm step up ring (if I just want to carry a polariser) and get no leaking issues. I haven't tried filters on my CV 12 yet as I rarely use the SL for landscape shooting. If I did I'd use the Sigma 12-24 and 150mm filters. Much bigger but much more versatile. Gordon Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarkinVan Posted May 6, 2018 Share #18 Posted May 6, 2018 When I first heard about the 16-35, I was concerned about the over lap and how fast it was. Leica is brilliant, giving me what I want before I even knew it. Yesterday, I spent the day with just the 16-35, a hike in the afternoon with one group and a nephew's concert in the evening. The SL with the 16-35 was the perfect lens for the day. I agree with everything Vieri said above. The difference between 16 & 24 is huge in composure and being able to go to 35 without changing or carrying another lens is sweet. I have a lot to learn with this lens and I won't be buying another lens for quite a while because there is so much I will be able to pull out of the SL with this lens. Grateful, I could buy as it is pretty pricey but wow, I wasn't missing any lens yesterday. 3 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LD_50 Posted May 6, 2018 Share #19 Posted May 6, 2018 I tend to use zooms like I would a series of primes. I look for photos that work with the available focal lengths. I don’t find myself looking for shots and trying to find a focal length that works. That said I would have been happy with a 14-24 or wider just as I will be if I end up purchasing the 16-35. I’ll make use of the focal lengths either way. I do appreciate the ability to use my 100mm filters. The Nikon 14-24 was a pain with the bulbous front element for filter use, protection, and flare resistance. 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
IkarusJohn Posted May 6, 2018 Author Share #20 Posted May 6, 2018 (edited) Thanks for the comments, guys. Looks like the 21 Summilux might go on the block to fund the 16-35 zoom. No hurry as yet - will look more at the photos and will take the Summilux out a bit more to see what I think. Edited May 6, 2018 by IkarusJohn Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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