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Would someone inform me that if there was already some topics on the combination of the new Leica CL with a Leica M 135f3.4 APO lens?   Where to find those thread if there were any?  

 

Is it a possible combination, or usable in terms of convenient, picture quality etc?   How is that compared with a M135f3.4 on a SL? 

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Should be an excellent combination. I haven't tried it yet, as the 55-135 TL leaves nothing to be desired.

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Should be an excellent combination. I haven't tried it yet, as the 55-135 TL leaves nothing to be desired.

 

The "55-135 TL" is a true 135mm as on 35mm format?   Is the 135f3.4 M lens on the CL becomes about 200mm, or still 135mm in terms of 35mm format? 

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The "55-135 TL" is a true 135mm as on 35mm format?   Is the 135f3.4 M lens on the CL becomes about 200mm, or still 135mm in terms of 35mm format? 

 

A 135 is a 135. Any 135mm on the CL will have the same angle of view. The M135 has a larger image circle so can fill a 24x36mm frame as well as APSC. The L135 covers the APSC frame only and used on a compatible camera (SL) the image will be cropped to APSC.

 

The M135 is a stop and a half faster though, which can result in shallower DOF/higher shutter speeds/ lower ISO's.

 

Gordon

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I have no idea about the SL but the 135/3.4 apo works perfectly on my M240, digital CL and Sony A7s mod. Here handheld on the CL at f/8 where it behaves like a 200/3.4 due to the crop factor (full size: https://photos.smugmug.com/photos/i-2RXfSn5/0/f0d1bb22/O/i-2RXfSn5.jpg). Compared to the TL 55-135, the M 135/3.4 apo is slightly shorter, slimmer and lighter (105 x 59mm, 450g vs 110 x 68mm, 500g) but this zoom lens has an excellent reputation otherwise even if it is not a full frame lens. I have no experience with it though.
 

 

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Same combo on closeup (full size: https://photos.smugmug.com/photos/i-bRBzrnN/0/245560dd/O/i-bRBzrnN.jpg). Works fine but the 1.5m MFD of the M 135 is frustrating w/o macro or close focus adapter. The 1m MFD of the TL 55-135 sounds more appealing if its slower aperture is not a concern. 

 

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Tried it out: An excellent choice, easy focus, and of course Apo-Telyt quality:

 

135-1.jpg

 

135-2.jpg

 

Are  those two photos taken with your CL + a 135f3.4 M ?  How is the viewfinder viewing experience, no delay jiggering?    Is there a function for focusing confirmation as well? 

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Yes, because of this thread I slipped it on this morning when walking the dogs. A very pleasant experience ( (the lens on the camera, I mean. The dogs are always great

) Well balanced, the focus throw is just right, the plane of focus easy to see in the viewfinder. I use the handgrip.

 

No focus confirmation, but (with the right adapter) focus magnification (right wheel) and if desired focus peaking, which I avoid as an unnecessary distraction. The EVF has no issues, it is one of the best on the market.

 

Actually I was thinking of selling the lens, as it is completely redundant - I have six 135-s (Hektor, 2x Elmar, Tele-Elmar, Apo-Telyt, and now TL 55-135

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[...] How is the viewfinder viewing experience, no delay jiggering? [...]

 

There is indeed some EVF lag in low light, when using slower apertures than f/2.8 mainly, more so than with my Sony A7s or Fuji X-E2 for instance, but it is not a problem in good light or at f/1.4 or f/2 in low light in my experience. I don't shoot a lot in low light though so take what i say with a pinch of salt.

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Yes, because of this thread I slipped it on this morning when walking the dogs. A very pleasant experience ( (the lens on the camera, I mean. The dogs are always great

) Well balanced, the focus throw is just right, the plane of focus easy to see in the viewfinder. I use the handgrip.

 

No focus confirmation, but (with the right adapter) focus magnification (right wheel) and if desired focus peaking, which I avoid as an unnecessary distraction. The EVF has no issues, it is one of the best on the market. 

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That means a 200mm focal length at a relatively very small package?  (particular compared with the SL, or a 180 ~ 200 range lens on the R-system before)   And the M10 could not have a 200, unless puts on a R 180mm type of lens on, but still a lot more bulk?   

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[...] And the M10 could not have a 200, unless puts on a R 180mm type of lens on, but still a lot more bulk?   

 

Closer comparo would be with the Telyt-R 180/3.4 which is significantly taller (135 vs 105mm), heavier (750 vs 450g) with a 2.5m vs 1.5m MFD let alone that it needs a larger adapter. Great lens though.

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That means a 200mm focal length at a relatively very small package?  (particular compared with the SL, or a 180 ~ 200 range lens on the R-system before)   And the M10 could not have a 200, unless puts on a R 180mm type of lens on, but still a lot more bulk?   

Yes, it is 200 mm equivalent on an APS-C sensor, and it is really compact. The same goes for the 55-135 TL, which is a bit heavier and larger, but not dramatically so.

 

There is indeed some EVF lag in low light, when using slower apertures than f/2.8 mainly, more so than with my Sony A7s or Fuji X-E2 for instance, but it is not a problem in good light or at f/1.4 or f/2 in low light in my experience. I don't shoot a lot in low light though so take what i say with a pinch of salt.

An EVF will never be as good as an optical viewfinder in really low light, but it has an advantage in amplifying the signal and giving a brighter view at the tradeoff of quality. I doubt whether one would be using an 135/3.4 lens in such light, the shutterspeed would not allow handholding. On a tripod there would not be a problem with image movement in the EVF

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How would be your feeling (the whole handling etc... ) compared the use of this 135f3.4 with a CL, or the 135f3.4 with a M10 ?  

I do not have either, thinking should concentrate the funds to eventually get a M10, or meanwhile have a CL ... 

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It will be much easier to use on the CL, despite having a more narrow angle of view (which may be an advantage as well) and the image results will not be much apart. In general, given a similar sensor quality, a smaller sensor is preferable for longer focal lengths. At this length, an EVF is much easier to master than a rangefinder.

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It will be much easier to use on the CL, despite having a more narrow angle of view (which may be an advantage as well) and the image results will not be much apart. In general, given a similar sensor quality, a smaller sensor is preferable for longer focal lengths. At this length, an EVF is much easier to master than a rangefinder.

 

So this combination of the 135f3.4 on a CL, is somewhat like an experience with a R camera with a 180mm lens combo and feeling? 

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More smooth, and rather more compact and handholdable.

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More smooth, and rather more compact and handholdable.

 

Does the M lens to CL adapter adds much of length or weight to the combo?

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Is it also a relatively  okay (or good?) solution (R lenses + CL) for those still wanting to use "R lenses"  as a lower cost "R solution"?  

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