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Farewell to the 135 APO-Telyt-M

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#161 Ronazle

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Posted 12 May 2018 - 17:07

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I think many would like to buy the 135 mm APO Telyt M but when it comes to the cash outlay another lens will take precedence; this of course results in a sales problem. Said problem is antagonized by the fact that the non-APO predecessors, especially the Tele-Elmar are really excellent and available at bargain prices. It appears that digital has sort of killed the new 135mm market. Golly gee, what am I to do with my really long lenses?  Regards, Ron



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Posted 12 May 2018 - 19:11

[...] It appears that digital has sort of killed the new 135mm market. [...]

 

Pretty well the opposite for me. 135mm lenses did sell hardly in the film days and mine had little use then but now i can use them on mirrorless cameras which rejuvenates those lenses IMHO.


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Posted 12 May 2018 - 20:51

Pretty well the opposite for me. 135mm lenses did sell hardly in the film days and mine had little use then but now i can use them on mirrorless cameras which rejuvenates those lenses IMHO.

 

Indeed - bought a Sony A6500 (APS-C) earlier this year and the combination of excellent EVF, focus-peaking and IBIS make the 135 APO very easy to use (and equiv to 202mm).

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Posted 12 May 2018 - 21:05

[...] The biggest barrier was Mrs Gobert. It’s her money as well....

 

My mate and I have an arrangement. What is her's is her's. What's mine is her's, too. Seriously. I signed over my estate minus debt (which is zero). It makes life so simple.



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Posted 12 May 2018 - 21:07

[...] Golly gee, what am I to do with my really long lenses?

 

Pretty sure there are superb things to show in Texas. Or little things like those new fig leaves in Normandy (CL, 135/3.4). 

 
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Posted 12 May 2018 - 21:15

My mate and I have an arrangement. What is her's is her's. What's mine is her's, too. Seriously. I signed over my estate minus debt (which is zero). It makes life so simple.


I always convince her. Let’s start the search for the SEM 18!

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Posted 13 May 2018 - 00:35

[quote name="adan" post="3512396" timestamp="1525404739"]The bottom line is the bottom line.
 
It does not matter how "good" a product is - it only matters that it sells enough that it makes enough profit, at the price it can sell at. Or at the very least is a "killer app lens" that enhances sales and profits of cameras or other gear.
 
Leica 135's have always been on the bubble (subject to elimination). The 90TE "thin" was conceived in 1972 as a lens that, with a 1.5x converter, could replace the 135 lenses. The only thing that prevented the 135 going the way of the dinosaur 45 years ago was the 90 + 1.5x image quality was too poor.
 
1.5x converter for an M camera? Was it ever produced?

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Posted 13 May 2018 - 00:48

No. The only one known is the  Komura 2x conveter. Works better than expected, but still not superior to cropping.


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Posted 13 May 2018 - 13:42

I will clarify slightly. When we were shooting Super XX that had really large grain the use of a good telephoto was far, far  superior to cropping. All one has to do to verify this early usage is to look at the remaining number(s) of Elmar telephotos in the 135mm configuration. Qualitative increases in film quality (i.e., finegrain) contributed to the decreased need for a 135mm on a rangefinder camera; digital resolution, in my opinion, is essentially a further extension thereof inre to the 135mm.  Leica going to a shorter base rangefinder did nothing to improve the situation (early M v. present M).

 

My comment on really long lenses was hyperbole. Regards, Ron



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Posted 13 May 2018 - 13:58

Erwin Puts has contributed a lot and has often given his work freely.

 

I have valued, benefited and found a lot of interest in his writing, as have many others.

 

To try and start a witch hunt over this is pathetic.

 

100% agreement over here. 

 

I'm not sure what the cause of this gaffe was, but I'm willing to chalk it up to being a mistake and let it go at that.

 

It seems to me that it is small minded to revel in feasting on the miscues of others.


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Posted 13 May 2018 - 15:37

I'm not sure what the cause of this gaffe was, but I'm willing to chalk it up to being a mistake and let it go at that.

 

Agreed. But whatever the reason was for the story, it does raise the question of the economic viability of the 135mm focal length as an M lens. Older versions are very cheap (and far from bad lenses), newer versions are still available in the very low hundreds (of €, £ or $). Used E46 versions of the pre-APO are very reasonably priced for a Leica M lens and the APOs themselves don't seem to appear on the used market in large numbers. Is this focal length simply not an economic viability at the high new price for an APO I wonder, or will the market support small, periodic batches? Has anyone here actually bought a 135mm M lens new?


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Posted 13 May 2018 - 16:05

 

...Has anyone here actually bought a 135mm M lens new?

 

I would if I had an extra $4K on hand. 

 

In his posts about using the 135/3.4 APO, onasj has certainly made a compelling case for the Telyt-M:  https://www.l-camera...10-135-apo-rip/


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Posted 13 May 2018 - 18:29

My none-APO E46 135mm lens produces extremely good images though and I don't think that I would change it unless I really needed to use this focal length wide open. If I really did a 135mm f/2 and dSLR body would be as/more competent for much less money. Hence my query.


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Posted 13 May 2018 - 18:33

 Has anyone here actually bought a 135mm M lens new?

Somebody must have. Otherwise they would not be available second-hand.


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Posted 13 May 2018 - 18:47

Slightly tangentially - I've started using my Tele Elmar-M 135 f4 for portraits quite a lot and really like it. Does anyone have experience of it AND the Elmarit-R 135 f2.8 with it's extra stop wide open, and can that extra stop with it's shallower plane of focus make much difference to the drawing of a portrait? I usually use the EVF in this context, so it really doesn't matter that the R demands using Live View only. Thanks.....




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