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Sorry Neil, but your post #17 is what doesn't make factual sense!

 

Seriously mate........taking pictures in dodgy light inside a museum for example you will always get crisper better exposed images using a decent mobile phone whether it be a iPhone an Samsung or even the Hawaii..........I haven't tried printing from an iPhone, but since we are talking about that I will try it when I get home and report back

 

If they let you take a tripod and lighting then maybe a M or a cannon will do better but hand held the mobile phone will wine every time...........my wife has images to prove it :)  

 

Neil 

[Gelatino]

As jaapv said the postcards sale protection is one of the main reason to ban cameras, other reason I don't believe in is not to interfere with visitors progression .

Also, museum management thinks it is easier to forbid all cameras instead of trying to avoid inappropriate use of flash.

 

That said, I visit museum to get close to the real painting/sculture or any piece of art and be in relation (not to say communion) with it. None photo can replace this physical proximity.

The photos I take under these circomtances are for reminding the atmosphere of the place.

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[Martin B]

Here in the US, there are several places which don't allow bringing any kind of cameras inside or are at least limited in the gear size, just two examples:

 

- Art Museum in Philadelphia: no photo backpacks, no larger lenses (I made it in with my M6 and one lens though). 

- Fonthill Castle in Doylestown/PA: I made my worst experience here in regard to photo gear a couple years ago. They even had cameras outside the castle monitoring visitors and hunted them down when taking photos from outside the castle. No photo bags were allowed on the tour inside. Friends of mine went there recently and this policy seems more relaxed now fortunately regarding taking photos outside

[Herr Barnack]

 

As jaapv said the postcards sale protection is one of the main reason to ban cameras, other reason I don't believe in is not to interfere with visitors progression .

Also, museum management thinks it is easier to forbid all cameras instead of trying to avoid inappropriate use of flash.

 

 

They even had cameras outside the castle monitoring visitors and hunted them down when taking photos from outside the castle.

 

And then there's the fact that in many instances, petty bureaucrats have a compulsion to wield power just for the sake of wielding power.  Issuing arbitrary edicts and controlling other people bring the small minded great satisfaction.

Edited April 30, 2018 by Herr Barnack

[ECohen]

I love photography its always been my life. I find museums banning photography with arbitrary rules ridiculous....but a museum has a job to do ....for whatever...and why.

All that said I'd still go to museums even if they wouldn't allow any photography. I need Art more than the few photos I shoot while experiencing the beauty that is in those Museums.
 

So if I had to leave my camera at the door .....it wouldn't stop me from visiting one bit. Frankly buying a book or a post card  to remember is enough ....... I can make my own Art almost everyplace else.
 

FYI: I wouldn't have the same opinion if I were younger

 

Art is for seeing and experiencing  I have no need to copy someone elses, only to enjoy it and learn from it.

 

I think banning photography in museums is a side effect of too many irresponsible people with cameras

By irresponsible I mean poor human etiquette.
 

[Frase]

There are places where cameras and camera phones are banned no matter what shape or form. I am due to visit Highgrove in Gloucestershire this week. It is the home of Prince Charles. No recording equipment of any kind is allowed, whether it be digital or analogue, visual or sound. 

 

Fair enough, who needs to record everything?

 

Sadly I suspect that users of huge Canikons have gone berserk in the grounds and the police have said it has to stop for security reasons.

 

I'll leave my camera locked away and take my eyes. Some of my best memories were taken with my eyes.

 

You have actually managed to blame people who use Canon or Nikon dslrs for the ban of Leica Ms, I've heard it all now and of course Leica shooters are always calm where if you use a dslr you go berserk!

[ECohen]

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You have actually managed to blame people who use Canon or Nikon dslrs for the ban of Leica Ms, I've heard it all now and of course Leica shooters are always calm where if you use a dslr you go berserk!

 

Years ago nobody had a camera now everyone does ....Its the generation that need to record every thing not DSLR users.

People in general have gone berserk with recording their lives.

[arno_nyhm]

i just dont care. i do not see the point of taking pictures inside a museum. what kind of pictures do you wat to capture there?

 

do you want to prove, you stood in front of the actual Mona-Lisa? - you don't need that, people will believe you anyway.

do you want to reproduce the artwork to print it for your living room? you will hardly get a decent copy from taking a rangefinder or SLR without tripod and some good light.

do you want to capture people while looking at the artwork inside of the museum? come on! for streetshoots go outside!

 

just imagine, you might have made some decent pictures through your lifetime and some people even still like it in, say, 200 years. they like it that much, that they print it and have it shown im some kind of museum. would you be happy with some youngster running around in the exposition that is dedicatet to you and your work and snapping around instead of looking at your art?

 

so: what is the point of taking photos inside a museum?

[Exodies]

Why exclude anything as a suitable subject for a picture?

[NigelG]

i just dont care. i do not see the point of taking pictures inside a museum. what kind of pictures do you wat to capture there?

 

do you want to prove, you stood in front of the actual Mona-Lisa? - you don't need that, people will believe you anyway.

do you want to reproduce the artwork to print it for your living room? you will hardly get a decent copy from taking a rangefinder or SLR without tripod and some good light.

do you want to capture people while looking at the artwork inside of the museum? come on! for streetshoots go outside!

 

just imagine, you might have made some decent pictures through your lifetime and some people even still like it in, say, 200 years. they like it that much, that they print it and have it shown im some kind of museum. would you be happy with some youngster running around in the exposition that is dedicatet to you and your work and snapping around instead of looking at your art?

 

so: what is the point of taking photos inside a museum?

 

Well...as an architect I often visit museums to see the interiors as much as the art (let’s not even start a discussion about whether there’s enough “good” art to fill all the new ones.....)

I don’t take pictures of the artworks as I prefer to use my eyes....but I often like to try to capture the spaces and the use of light etc.

 

Unfortunately many newer museums prohibit photographs inside due to copyright reasons/book&catalogue sales etc amongst other things and some like the Sloane Museum in London make you put your camera in a transparent plastic bag and visibly carry it around unused.

In Russia I found a different approach where you could take photographs but you had to purchase a separate “photography permit” over and above the admission price - I thought this arrangement was fine and was happy to stump up the extra £5-10 or so.

 

My biggest disappointment was in Japan at Easter where I spent a great deal of time/effort and money to get to stay on Naoshima Island in the Benesse museum by Tadao Ando (an architectural Hero of mine -YMMV).

Not only was photography strictly prohibited in that museum but arriving at the Chi Chu museum (also on the island and by Ando) early the next morning as it opened I was greeted on the ramped entrance by a staff member with plastic bags for cameras just like the Soane.

 

Here no photography was permitted of the entire building - even the exterior (it’s not visible from the roadway) as the entire museum “is a work of Art”.........

 

Yes I bought a book - but the photos weren’t the ones I might have taken had I got the chance.

[Mark II]

i just dont care. i do not see the point of taking pictures inside a museum. what kind of pictures do you wat to capture there?

We sometimes take pictures of artefacts in museums to help illustrate talks / university lectures. The postcards etc are not generally useful for this, but it is surprising how often you find something useful in the most obscure and unexpected places.

[marchyman]

what kind of pictures do you wat to capture there?

[snip]

so: what is the point of taking photos inside a museum?

 

 

What's the point of taking a picture, anywhere -- to tell a story.   When I an my friends stopped at a gallery during a motorcycle ride the pictures taken inside were part of the story of that ride.

[erl]

I can't believe the blindness of some comments above regarding 'why would you want to take pictures in a museum'!

I equate that to 'why would you want to take pictures anywhere'!

 

I have more than reason enough and don't feel obliged to substantiate my motives, but I can.

 

Just one example (of many I have) is my particular interest is photographing people within and reacting to their immediate environment. I enjoy it. It also records and reminds me of my experience at that place, frequently museums and art galleries. I regularly go through my records of special exhibitions held at the NGV, and the interaction of visitors to it. It is just not possible to compress all that into one brief visit and cram it into ones memory, unless it is a camera.

 

I don't copy the the works of art, but I do extensively use them as a backdrop to my my prime subject.

[ktmrider2]

Remember when only Leica's were allowed into a courtroom?  It was not the size but the unobtrusiveness of the camera.  Had a friend who shot for AP back in the day and he was the only photographer allowed into the courtroom to record the Ted Bundy trial in Florida.  He became the pool photographer not because he worked for AP but because he had a Leica.

[ECohen]

I can't believe the blindness of some comments above regarding 'why would you want to take pictures in a museum'!

I equate that to 'why would you want to take pictures anywhere'!

 

I have more than reason enough and don't feel obliged to substantiate my motives, but I can.

 

Just one example (of many I have) is my particular interest is photographing people within and reacting to their immediate environment. I enjoy it. It also records and reminds me of my experience at that place, frequently museums and art galleries. I regularly go through my records of special exhibitions held at the NGV, and the interaction of visitors to it. It is just not possible to compress all that into one brief visit and cram it into ones memory, unless it is a camera.

 

I don't copy the the works of art, but I do extensively use them as a backdrop to my my prime subject.

 

 

As I completely agree with the above post.

 

But sadly we live in a world where everyone has a camera and records everything all the time. Most often unconcerned with others and their surroundings.

How does today's busy museum deal with that? Or do they just say that's how our patrons choose and let the chips fall where they may?

 

I personally feel they should ban or block cell phones in restaurants.....but that's off the subject.

 

I too love to shoot in all the places that I visit its my joy.

 

"But the times they are a Changin"

 Bob Dylan 1964

 

and that's a fact.

[Herr Barnack]

 

I love photography its always been my life. I find museums banning photography with arbitrary rules ridiculous....but a museum has a job to do ....for whatever...and why.

All that said I'd still go to museums even if they wouldn't allow any photography. I need Art more than the few photos I shoot while experiencing the beauty that is in those Museums.

 

So if I had to leave my camera at the door .....it wouldn't stop me from visiting one bit. Frankly buying a book or a post card  to remember is enough ....... I can make my own Art almost everyplace else.

 

FYI: I wouldn't have the same opinion if I were younger

 

Art is for seeing and experiencing  I have no need to copy someone elses, only to enjoy it and learn from it.

 

I think banning photography in museums is a side effect of too many irresponsible people with cameras

By irresponsible I mean poor human etiquette.

 

 

 

That is one of the real problems IMHO. 

 

The other is this:  Museums should not punish responsible photographers along with those who are obnoxious and irresponsible.  When there is a fly in your home, you use a fly swatter to dispatch it, not a stick of dynamite.

 

I would suggest that museums create a well thought out set of rules of conduct for museum visitors - with specific rules for making photographs - print it out and give each visitor a copy as they enter.  Visitors are allowed one warning; if they do not adhere to the rules of conduct after that, they will be escorted to the museum's exit by a staff member, with no refund of the cost of admission. 

 

This is how improper and obnoxious behavior is addressed at sporting events, concerts and other public events.  Some will say "but a museum is not a football game."  My point exactly.  When in a museum, act like you are in an museum, not at an NFL game or Burning Man.  Otherwise, expect to be escorted out. 

 

When in a museum venue, adult humans and their offspring need to not act like farm animals; is that really too much to hope for these days? 

Edited May 1, 2018 by Herr Barnack

[ECohen]

"When there is a fly in your home, you use a fly swatter to dispatch it, not a stick of dynamite."

 

In theory I agree with you completely.

But the human race is infested with with irresponsible people and they all seem to have cameras   

[adan]

Just get the 50mm Elmar as already suggested - and then walk into the museum holding your M up to your ear and talking into it.

[otto.f]

After a quarter of an hour of negotiation I was allowed last month to make the picture below in the Palazzo Madama in Turin with my LF Chamonix 45F2 (unfortunately their was some light leak working in the camera at that moment). This negotiation took so long because it was Saturday and the direction wasn’t there. I had to hand over my driver’s license and I got it back after I was finished. I’m sure this has everything to do with commercial reasons and nothing with disturbances of the public.

 

https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/238532-4x5-der-thread/page-10?do=findComment&comment=3509807

 

As in this case: http://lotwouda.zenfolio.com/p387796182

The first 12 or so of this series are from a Wagner opera with Monochrome1 and the Summilux 75mm, quite a thing compared to a 28Summaron. After the piece I was addressed by the technical staff in a very serious manner that this was not allowed and that I shouldn’t publish on facebook (which is far from me). They did not ask me to delete the photo’s, I’m not into law stuff, but I doubt whether they could really expect that from me. There were no signs or any communications at all about this before the opera started.

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[Paulus]

Today I visited the Museum again. Because it has a great  and large exhibition of Rineke Dijkstra:

 

http://www.depont.nl/tentoonstelling/rineke-dijkstra/

 

 

I read the house rules so I did come prepaired:

 

http://www.depont.nl/uw-bezoek/huisregels/

 

The rules of the house state, that one is allowed to take pictures with a mobile phone or a pocket camera without flash. Sadly one doesn't give a definition of a pocket camera so I loaded my bag with alternatives. The bag was no problem in the museum. I started making pictures with the Minilux . After a while I took the Leica MP with the summicron IV lens old model, which is relatively smal. I two minutes I was "picked up" by a guard which was alarmed by another guard, about my camera hanging around my neck. 

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Edited May 3, 2018 by Paulus