Another Lightroom/Adobe discussion

[LocalHero1953]

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This will ultimately be about renting cloud space. It is not only Adobe that are pushing this, but Apple, Google, Microsoft and others as well. Leica is a relatively small player compared to those companies and could not hope to compete. Life nowadays is all about the 'upsell', I'm afraid. Some people, like myself, are 'hold outs', but in the longer term this game is only going in one direction. All of this has been enabled by the development of digital and communications technology and arguing over the details of this will make little difference in the long run, unless someone comes up with workable alternative solutions, which seems unlikely. This process started with the introduction of the first digital cameras over 20 years ago.

 

William

I don't disagree with this, and I wasn't commenting on where Leica fits in.

My concern is that, if you use Lightroom CC, the only choice for storage is Adobe's storage and therefore Adobe's monopoly prices. It's tying two distantly related services together - a bit like Microsoft saying that if you use Windows you can only browse the internet through Internet Explorer - fortunately that didn't last.

I'd rather see a bit of competition which would bring prices down - but you can see why Adobe are doing it.

[sanyasi]

There is no right answer.  I started with Lightroom, but now use Photoshop.  I don't like LR's file management system.  I transfer my files to my photo hard drive/Raid system using Bridge, where I add metadata before the transfer.  I then use Bridge to select the files I want to open from my hard drive, make the major adjustments in ACR, and then do any additional work, which mostly consists of adjustment layers, luminosity masks, spot removal, NIK apps, and sharpening in Photoshop. My Canon 1000 printer has printing software that integrates with Photoshop as a plugin, so I use Photoshop/Canon for printing.  

 

I would say the secret to my approach is having a good file management system.  Mine works like this:

 

2018 Photography folder

      01_January

      02_February

             02_10_2018_Demonstration Protesting....

             02_20_2018_Paris Day 1

 

It works for me, and that is all that matters.

[jmahto]

There is no right answer. I started with Lightroom, but now use Photoshop. I don't like LR's file management system. I transfer my files to my photo hard drive/Raid system using Bridge, where I add metadata before the transfer. I then use Bridge to select the files I want to open from my hard drive, make the major adjustments in ACR, and then do any additional work, which mostly consists of adjustment layers, luminosity masks, spot removal, NIK apps, and sharpening in Photoshop. My Canon 1000 printer has printing software that integrates with Photoshop as a plugin, so I use Photoshop/Canon for printing.

 

I would say the secret to my approach is having a good file management system. Mine works like this:

 

2018 Photography folder

01_January

02_February

02_10_2018_Demonstration Protesting....

02_20_2018_Paris Day 1

 

It works for me, and that is all that matters.

I used to have similar file management before started using LR. My problem was that I had to duplicate files for different crops and for different distribution sets (ex: to be printed for photo book). In LR collections features solved that issue. Edited March 11, 2018 by jmahto

[Exodies]

There is no right answer.  I started with Lightroom, but now use Photoshop.  I don't like LR's file management system.  I transfer my files to my photo hard drive/Raid system using Bridge, where I add metadata before the transfer.  I then use Bridge to select the files I want to open from my hard drive, make the major adjustments in ACR, and then do any additional work, which mostly consists of adjustment layers, luminosity masks, spot removal, NIK apps, and sharpening in Photoshop. My Canon 1000 printer has printing software that integrates with Photoshop as a plugin, so I use Photoshop/Canon for printing.  

 

I would say the secret to my approach is having a good file management system.  Mine works like this:

 

2018 Photography folder

      01_January

      02_February

             02_10_2018_Demonstration Protesting....

             02_20_2018_Paris Day 1

 

It works for me, and that is all that matters.

Lightroom can import to a folder structure exactly like that. What didn’t you like about it?

[sanyasi]

Lightroom can import to a folder structure exactly like that. What didn’t you like about it?

 

I have  been a way from LR for at least 5 years.  At the time, I was bringing files into LR through its import function, which as I recall,was putting stuff where it wanted it to go.  I assume there probably was and is a way to import through Bridge, and then edit in LR, but I was also taking files from LR and doing some editing in Photoshop.  It was just too cumbersome for me.  Just to add fuel to the fire.  I have the same issue with Capture One, and I know I can do individual sessions with it, and do that when I use my Leaf back for Lens Cast Corrections.  I just find it messy.  As I said, I do what works for me.  Everyone else should do what works for them.  At the end of the day, it is the print that matters.  There are just different ways to get there.

[LocalHero1953]

Lightroom uses whatever filing system you tell it to, including leaving files where they were originally. It's done this since I've been using it: v3.

 

Of course, people should use whatever system they find works, but this misleading comment about LR deciding on its own filing system keeps coming back.

Edited March 11, 2018 by LocalHero1953

[Jeff S]

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Exactly. The user has control.... or not.

 

Jeff

[Chuck Albertson]

Lightroom uses whatever filing system you tell it to, including leaving files where they were originally. It's done this since I've been using it: v3.

 

Of course, people should use whatever system they find works, but this misleading comment about LR deciding on its own filing system keeps coming back.

Das' right. I load image files to my computer/EDD using my date+location file system (in Internet Explorer, in my case), then later import ("Add") them to LR.

[thighslapper]

I'd like to mention the LR app for the iPad ...... on the iPad pro it works exceptionally well and is almost as fully featured as the desktop version. It lacks 'healing' but you can export to Photofix and benefit from PS quality heal/clone and then return file to LR in seconds.

 

As it is a touch screen you can do all the brush/radial/graduated filtering with you finger .... or the Apple Stylus if you want to be really accurate. 

 

I've used this on all the landscape workshops I have been on in the last 2 years and have usually processed all the good images in the car by the time we have got back to home base. The results on the retina screen look stunning. Whilst the others are messing around with their MacBooks I'm off taking more photos. Back home I have re-processed the files on my Mac with LR and bits in PS, but hardly ever have done much better than the original iPad processing on the day. 

Edited April 13, 2018 by thighslapper