M10 Menu Button Intermittent Problem

[nlk10010]

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I try not to overreact but given I've got pretty close to $12,000 invested in the M (new M10 + 50mm Summicron + 28mm Elmarit) I want to make sure I identify all possible problems before my store's return period expires.

 

I was trying out my new 28mm Elmarit (man, this is worse to mount than the Summicron as there is hardly any fixed ring surface to grab). I shut the camera off, mounted the lens, then turned the camera on. I have the LV set to off so when the camera powers up all you see is the dark LCD. I then usually hit "Menu" to check to see if the lens mounted properly (check that Lens Detection is on "Auto"). Problem is, when I hit Menu this time the screen stayed dark. I pressed the button again, making sure I depressed it fully, and still nothing. I had to repeatedly press and release the "Menu" button about five times before the Menu came up. I repeated the "experiment", shutting the camera off, then turning it on, and trying "Menu" again. I'd say about half the time the Menu came up on the first press, the rest of the time it took multiple presses.

 

Has anyone else run into this problem? I Googled the issue a number of ways and came up with something on the SL and the infamous "Stuck ISO" problem (why I don't know). But that was it.

 

Normally I would try this with my old Summicron (I never noticed this problem with that lens mounted) but can't imaging why the lens would have anything to do with it.

 

Thanks in advance for any ideas.

 

[lpeeples]

That’s easy. Happened to me too. Don’t long press it. A fast press is the way to do it.

[nlk10010]

Thank you for taking the time to post and offer your help.

 

On the surface I find it hard to believe that this was the problem in my situation, as I have been hitting the MENU button regularly since I got the camera and never had an issue. Why I should just start to long press it when mounting the new lens I don't know. That said, my instincts have been dead wrong many times before and you have the experience so I will certainly pay attention to this the next time the problem rears its ugly head.

 

Funny thing, however, is that I ran a number of mounting/dismounting test subsequently and the MENU button started "working" (whatever the cause of the problem actually was). I wonder if it was an issue with how the new lens was twisted into place (although, as I say, with all the issues I had mounting the Summicron this particular one never occurred) or it was one of those random electronic problems that (hopefully) never reappear. I can only keep using the M10 and see if this issue (or another) comes up, I have about ten days shakedown period left. 

 

This has shaken my confidence in the M10 a bit and soured my experience, but I'm sure I'll forget all that if nothing else comes up.

[madrigalmaster]

I have exactly the same problem with a 28mm lens.

 

I am going to call Leica tomorrow as well as the seller.

 

I have also a question in regard to the auto exp bracketing.It seems to be on all the time and can not be set to no bracketing.I have the feeling that if you set the camera to single image it cancels it but not sure.It is another question for tomorrow.

[microview]

When M10 is on, and lens mounted, just press d-pad centre [info] button for info abut what lens is 'seen'. No need to delve into menu. Clever thing about the camera with non-coded lenses is that after manual setting via menu, but later exchanging lens for coded one, when you put back the non-coded lens the M10 'remembers' the matching setting.

Of course, I realise that that is not your specific problem. Incidentally, to get live view you don't press in button as with the 240 but a short 'tap' actuates it. Steve Huff usefully made this point in his on-line review.

Edited February 19, 2018 by microview

[nlk10010]

When M10 is on, and lens mounted, just press d-pad centre [info] button for info abut what lens is 'seen'. No need to delve into menu. Clever thing about the camera with non-coded lenses is that after manual setting via menu, but later exchanging lens for coded one, when you put back the non-coded lens the M10 'remembers' the matching setting.

Of course, I realise that that is not your specific problem. Incidentally, to get live view you don't press in button as with the 240 but a short 'tap' actuates it. Steve Huff usefully made this point in his on-line review.

 

I'm not sure if this post was directed (at least in part) towards me but, you know, I wasn't even aware there WAS a center D-Pad button (I don't know how I missed it). Whoa! I now don't have to hit "LV" to see the full array of camera settings.   Of course this is only tangential to my initial problem; i.e. the fact that hitting the "MENU" button did nothing about half the time. But as I mentioned, the problem has "magically" disappeared; I have done numerous lens mount/dismount tests and took my kit out to Grand Central yesterday (I have to work hard on my RF focusing, but that's another matter), switched lenses in the field and no issue. It wasn't my imagination but perhaps concentrating on twisting the lens into place properly and not having my finger linger on the "MENU" button has rectified matters. We'll see.

 

madrigalmaster:  Frankly, I am surprised (and sorry) to hear you experienced something similar. I hope that somehow this problem works itself out with you as it seems to have with me but if not then I would be very interested to know the upshot of your inquiries.

 

Thanks to the both of you for posting your info.

Edited February 19, 2018 by nlk10010

[pedaes]

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"I wasn't even aware there WAS a center D-Pad button"

 

Have you read the Manual? If not, highly recommended. That button is key to many things!

[nlk10010]

"I wasn't even aware there WAS a center D-Pad button"

 

Have you read the Manual? If not, highly recommended. That button is key to many things!

 

Not only read it, I studied it (before the camera even arrived). I may even have come across that piece of information in the process; however, I doubt there are many people who retain everything they read in something like a digital camera's user manual. The way we learn, in my experience, is to search out information when we find ourselves in a situation that requires it. Hitting "LV" or "MENU" didn't inconvenience me too much, so I didn't bother looking for a solution. 

[microview]

 

 

Have you read the Manual? If not, highly recommended. 

 

Try looking in the TL2 manual to see when electronic shutter kicks in (or whether it can be selected for any speed). Not a word. You need Jonathan Slack review for that bit of info.

Edited February 19, 2018 by microview

[antonioxrosa]

On 2/18/2018 at 7:17 PM, madrigalmaster said:

I have exactly the same problem with a 28mm lens.

 

I am going to call Leica tomorrow as well as the seller.

 

I have also a question in regard to the auto exp bracketing.It seems to be on all the time and can not be set to no bracketing.I have the feeling that if you set the camera to single image it cancels it but not sure.It is another question for tomorrow.

 

On 2/19/2018 at 10:19 PM, microview said:

 

Try looking in the TL2 manual to see when electronic shutter kicks in (or whether it can be selected for any speed). Not a word. You need Jonathan Slack review for that bit of info.

 

On 2/19/2018 at 10:19 PM, microview said:

 

Try looking in the TL2 manual to see when electronic shutter kicks in (or whether it can be selected for any speed). Not a word. You need Jonathan Slack review for that bit of info.

Hi,

Have you get the menu button problem solved?... I having now the same problem and trying to avoid to send the M10 to Leica...