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7 hours ago, jaapv said:

Rather useless. If the operator cannot see the contents properly he'll rescan until he can. 

Actually, what I experience with the lead bags are different. As operators usually don’t want to rescan due to incoming traffic of bags, they ask for luggage inspection right away. At least in my cases this is what has happened. I don’t remember my bag has in and out multiple times. Also as the intensity is fixed, if he can’t see, he doesn’t have much to do afaik.

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As with the other thread on the new scanners, I remain skeptical of the warning until either there is clear evidence of damage, or a statement is issued by those who have installed the scanners.

I travel internationally many times each year, and carry exposed and unexposed film through multiple entries, exits, and transits on these trips (often 5-6 Countries). I have carried both in hand-carry and in check-in. My films range from ISO 20 to ISO 400, and I do not use lead-lined bags, or ask for hand check. I have never experienced any issue with these hundreds of films (other than of my own making).

I'm currently hearing the same noise about the new scanners as has been made about the pre-existing X-ray machines. I could certainly be wrong but, until there is evidence of damage, I would have no qualms in passing my undeveloped films through the new scanners, just as I have no qualms about passing them through the existing X-ray machines (both hand-carry and check-in). Even before I get them, the films I use have all passed through cargo X-rays on their way to me in Malaysia, having ordered them from USA and Germany.

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This is directly from Kodak:

https://imaging.kodakalaris.com/sites/uat/files/wysiwyg/pro/CIS_E30.pdf

Read the paragraph under "Protect film from x-rays", which refers to the CT (Computed Tomography) scanners which were used for checked bags but are now being used more and more for carry-on, as corroborated by the TSA:

https://www.tsa.gov/computed-tomography

However, we are all free to make our own choices, because what do they know? They only make film.

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My experience with lead bags through hand luggage x-ray machines is this: the operator cannot see clearly what is inside, so the contents are taken out and hand-examined.  There is no raising of intensity, there is no re-scanning.

This has happened to me in airports in all parts of Europe.  In the US I ask for a hand-check and always get it.

i often travel with Polaroid high-iso b/w film:  ISO 3200!  Usually I put this in double lead bags.

Best part of all of this, I’ve never seen any x-ray damage. 

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14 hours ago, plaidshirts said:

This is directly from Kodak:

https://imaging.kodakalaris.com/sites/uat/files/wysiwyg/pro/CIS_E30.pdf

Read the paragraph under "Protect film from x-rays", which refers to the CT (Computed Tomography) scanners which were used for checked bags but are now being used more and more for carry-on, as corroborated by the TSA:

https://www.tsa.gov/computed-tomography

However, we are all free to make our own choices, because what do they know? They only make film.

I was fine, up until the sarcasm at the end of your final sentence. Kodak Alaris are in a position of (a) having a lot of information, and (b) being in a position where they should take all practical steps to minimise liability.

All film that I receive has passed through multiple CT scanners before I receive it. I travel very frequently, and usually have film with me (again limited to ISO 20 - 400). All I can report is that, after having taken hundreds of rolls and sheets (135 / 120 / 4x5) through both hand-carry and check-in scans, I have never experienced a problem with fogging.

I'll stick with the first part of your final sentence, and perhaps, one day, I shall suffer for it.

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This is directly from CAA UK,

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Dear Fatih

 

Following the response to your email earlier this week one of my colleagues has informed me that the CAA have contacted several manufacturers of the new Computed Tomography equipment that is being rolled out across many airports over the next few years. These manufacturers have indicated that the equipment, due to the higher radiation dose, is more likely to affect undeveloped film. They have indicated that will be advising airport operators of this so that appropriate communications and alternative processes can be developed. In the meantime, please do continue to alert the security officer that you are carrying undeveloped film so that the airport can advise accordingly. Note that this may vary from airport to airport depending which screening equipment they have opted to deploy.

 

I hope this helps.

 

Regards

 

Xxx xxx

Aviation Security Regulation Team

Civil Aviation Authority

 

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Kodak Alaris has also updated its prior warning against moving unprocessed film through CT hand-baggage scanners, based on some tests they did at JFK with the assistance of the TSA (thanks to The Phoblographer for highlighting this): https://www.thephoblographer.com/2020/01/27/kodak-warns-against-putting-unprocessed-films-through-ct-scanners/

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It's up to you which way you do. Anything 800 ISO and above I usually take in a carry on and ask them to check by hand to be safe as you're usually ok for around 7-8 passes however if you're concerned just say its ISO 1600 and have them hand check it all!

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57 minutes ago, capturesbygus said:

It's up to you which way you do. Anything 800 ISO and above I usually take in a carry on and ask them to check by hand to be safe as you're usually ok for around 7-8 passes however if you're concerned just say its ISO 1600 and have them hand check it all!

Unfortunately I cannot recommend this. Look how my pan-f looked like after two scans only.

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