earleygallery Posted January 28, 2018 Share #21 Posted January 28, 2018 Advertisement (gone after registration) I think it's pretty obvious the OP just meant that with an ultra wide angle zoom on the CL he doesn't feel constrained by the crop factor and that IQ is good enough he doesn't miss full frame. If it was obvious I would't have asked the question. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Advertisement Posted January 28, 2018 Posted January 28, 2018 Hi earleygallery, Take a look here Feel like a full frame. 11-23 TL with CL. I'm sure you'll find what you were looking for!
eraydinc Posted January 29, 2018 Author Share #22 Posted January 29, 2018 If it was obvious I would't have asked the question. Everybody knows different between FF and apsc. But some FF lovers always attacker to smaller sensor users, I don't know why I always say, apsc has lots of advantages to full frame. We don't need bigger or giant sensors. Because there are two things: Experience(compact, portable, carrying with small bags, motivative) and results (Good picture (not image quality) Thats all [emoji4] 3 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
earleygallery Posted January 29, 2018 Share #23 Posted January 29, 2018 Everybody knows different between FF and apsc. But some FF lovers always attacker to smaller sensor users, I don't know why I always say, apsc has lots of advantages to full frame. We don't need bigger or giant sensors. Because there are two things: Experience(compact, portable, carrying with small bags, motivative) and results (Good picture (not image quality) Thats all [emoji4] I fully agree with you. APSC is more than good enough. FF sensors were the goal to allow users to switch from 35mm systems without 'losing' any of their lenses, and the fact that most of us still think in terms of FF focal lengths. Nikon and Canon offer 'pro' spec APSC bodies but they're limited by the lenses, the best being made for FF. I have said before, Leica could do something unique with APSC .... 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest VVJ Posted January 30, 2018 Share #24 Posted January 30, 2018 I have said before, Leica could do something unique with APSC .... I think they are. They are IMO just doing it at an excruciatingly slow pace... 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
scott kirkpatrick Posted February 10, 2018 Share #25 Posted February 10, 2018 Let's repurpose this slightly into a "show what the 11-23 can do" thread. I carry it when the scenes range from wide to very wide with some closeups mixed in. (I.e., the 23 can't do it all.) I spent some time today catching up with wildflowers in the wild, and used the full range of the lens. Once the weather turns nice, all of Israel reports to the nearest park in the hills where wildflowers are reported in bloom. Fortunately, 95% of Israel stays close to the car, sets up chairs for the grandparents and toys for the kids, then lights the barbecue: C1010486 by scott kirkpatrick, on Flickr 11 mm @f/4.0 But the trail leads past signs of ancient settlement C1010496 by scott kirkpatrick, on Flickr 22 mm f/4.4 to woods filled with rakefot (local name for a favorite local flower, which looks like a columbine) C1010532 by scott kirkpatrick, on Flickr 14 mm f/5.6 In open areas, signs of last summer's fires are giving way to new green growth: C1010558 by scott kirkpatrick, on Flickr 11 mm and the almond trees share the open hills with spreads of cactus: C1010607 by scott kirkpatrick, on Flickr 14 mm There's more in a family album at https://www.flickr.com/gp/133969392@N05/K58C99 , plus dog pix. 3 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
eraydinc Posted February 11, 2018 Author Share #26 Posted February 11, 2018 My last photo with 11-23 TL 500px.com/eraydinc 15 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
dkCambridgeshire Posted February 12, 2018 Share #27 Posted February 12, 2018 (edited) Advertisement (gone after registration) Quite agree. Focal length is a property of the lens, not of the sensor I wish people would stop using these confused equivalences and start learning the properties of the system. But you've used the 'equivalence' argument yourself jaap … and on more than one occasion … https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/269711-discussing-leica-lenses-on-micro-43rds/?p=3221830 … it's common practice and useful when comparing lenses dunk Edited February 12, 2018 by dkCambridgeshire Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lct Posted February 12, 2018 Share #28 Posted February 12, 2018 But you've used the 'equivalence' argument yourself jaap … and on more than one occasion … [...] As long as he doesn't use the equivalence argument about apertures all is not lost for jaapv . Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted February 13, 2018 Share #29 Posted February 13, 2018 But you've used the 'equivalence' argument yourself jaap … and on more than one occasion … https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/269711-discussing-leica-lenses-on-micro-43rds/?p=3221830 … it's common practice and useful when comparing lenses dunk Yes, I do, for comparison purposes. Even Leica does (the Digilux 2 is marked in equivalences). But I draw the line at people thinking that their 50 mm lens has miraculously turned into a 75 mm lens. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
reynoldsyoung Posted February 13, 2018 Share #30 Posted February 13, 2018 The CL with a 35mm f1.4 and the 11-23mm is a wonderful combination. Have fun!! 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
dkCambridgeshire Posted February 13, 2018 Share #31 Posted February 13, 2018 (edited) I fully agree with you. APSC is more than good enough. FF sensors were the goal to allow users to switch from 35mm systems without 'losing' any of their lenses, and the fact that most of us still think in terms of FF focal lengths. Nikon and Canon offer 'pro' spec APSC bodies but they're limited by the lenses, the best being made for FF. I have said before, Leica could do something unique with APSC .... Leica already did … with the X Vario … Great camera!! … With a fantastic lens acknowledged by 'those who've used it' to be one of the finest optics that Leica has ever designed … But unfortunately some people failed to recognise this fact. dunk Edited February 13, 2018 by dkCambridgeshire 4 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ecaton Posted February 13, 2018 Share #32 Posted February 13, 2018 My last photo with 11-23 TL 500px.com/eraydinc Nice shot, but it ain't a selfie..? Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
meerec Posted February 13, 2018 Share #33 Posted February 13, 2018 The CL with a 35mm f1.4 and the 11-23mm is a wonderful combination. Have fun!! Totally agree. I have the exact fun. I will also add summarit-M 35/2.4 a very tiny lens, a perfect companion to CL for day time shooting. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wenge Posted February 13, 2018 Share #34 Posted February 13, 2018 Just re-rented CL w/11-23 and M adapter for my 25 Snapshot Skopar & Rokkor 90/4. I think I know what's gonna happen. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
eraydinc Posted March 10, 2018 Author Share #35 Posted March 10, 2018 (edited) 11-23 T the best wide angle zoom lens I ever seen Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Edited March 11, 2018 by jaapv image resized 4 Quote Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/281257-feel-like-a-full-frame-11-23-tl-with-cl/?do=findComment&comment=3478229'>More sharing options...
jaapv Posted March 11, 2018 Share #36 Posted March 11, 2018 Please stick to the size limits of the forum when posting images. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
colonel Posted March 11, 2018 Share #37 Posted March 11, 2018 I am talking about ‘’feeling’’ not cropping. Firstly this is a APSC-system lens. So that’s pure 16-35mm. Name is 11-23 because of some system solutions... 11-23 TL’s optical language is so widely perspective line of corner, ultra wide angle without deformation. That totally means: You don’t have to walk a few steps back when you shoot wide pictures with 11-23 T Tapatalk kullanarak iPad aracılığıyla gönderildi I agree, 11-23 is 16-35 equivalence and gives the same feel It’s important to convert to a standard that everyone understands, in this case FF, to understand the view DOF is difference and people can do the maths in their head. I guess the best thing to say is the 11-23 f3.5-4.5 is equivalent to 16-35mm f5.25-6.75 BTW this is an amazing lens and IMHO the best urban walk around on the CL/TL Rgds Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
globalwander Posted October 30, 2018 Share #38 Posted October 30, 2018 On 1/28/2018 at 3:27 AM, Alistairm said: I think it's pretty obvious the OP just meant that with an ultra wide angle zoom on the CL he doesn't feel constrained by the crop factor and that IQ is good enough he doesn't miss full frame. I think it is also reasonably obvious that everyone posting in the thread understands his intent, even if you disagree with his nomenclature. But then again, I'm also a newbie here so didn't feel the need to "welcome" him with the old fashioned boarding school roll in the urinal. Maybe take it a bit easy on a new member who pops in, posts some photos and celebrates his Leica gear... unless you don't actually want any new forum members. 3 Love your attitude. 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
M11 for me Posted October 30, 2018 Share #39 Posted October 30, 2018 Am 28.1.2018 um 01:06 schrieb jaapv: Quite agree. Focal length is a property of the lens, not of the sensor I wish people would stop using these confused equivalences and start learning the properties of the system. Well, I can not agree to this. I think that all the problems and confusions come from the fact that focal length might be an outdated measurement. It would be more usefull to speak about angle of view insted. And like that we would all speak of the same thing regardless the size of the sensor. And because we do not have that we have after all to understand what a lens does. Anf for that it is usefull to speak about 35mm equivalence. I know that this brings up a bunch of emotions. The next point would be the equivalence of aperture . . . Here too the would be much better metrics than the f/xx. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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