Feel like a full frame. 11-23 TL with CL

[eraydinc]

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Hi. I just bought new SUPER-VARIO-ELMAR-TL 11–23 f/3.5–4.5 ASPH. Crop factor is 16-35 mm. I made some basic test in my home immediately. Result. If you want to feel full frame with CL, 11-23 is totally for you. Super sharpness, perfect corners condition, colors also glamorous.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Edited January 27, 2018 by eraydinc

[Alistairm]

It is my favourite lens on the CL so far. Given it and the body are smaller and cheaper together than the yet to be released SL 16-35, and that the IQ is so stellar, has me wondering if I will skip the 16-35 and just use this combination when I want a wide zoom.

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[earleygallery]

I don't understand what you mean by 'full frame' please can you elaborate?

[eraydinc]

I don't understand what you mean by 'full frame' please can you elaborate?

You don’t feel crop factor when you use 11-23mm. Because 16-35 is a great vario wide angle. So basic logic but it’s useful.[emoji4]

 

 

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Edited January 27, 2018 by eraydinc

[earleygallery]

You don’t feel crop factor when you use 11-23mm. Because 16-35 is a great vario wide angle. So basic logic but it’s useful.[emoji4]

 

 

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I still don't understand. It's an APSC sensor and a 11-23mm lens. How can that 'feel full frame' ? And why should it?

[LocalHero1953]

And welcome to the forum! 

[eraydinc]

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I still don't understand. It's an APSC sensor and a 11-23mm lens. How can that 'feel full frame' ? And why should it?

I am talking about ‘’feeling’’ not cropping. Firstly this is a APSC-system lens. So that’s pure 16-35mm. Name is 11-23 because of some system solutions... 11-23 TL’s optical language is so widely perspective line of corner, ultra wide angle without deformation. That totally means: You don’t have to walk a few steps back when you shoot wide pictures with 11-23 T

 

 

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[eraydinc]

And welcome to the forum!

Thanks a lot I am so happy to share Leica Love

 

 

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[earleygallery]

I am talking about ‘’feeling’’ not cropping. Firstly this is a APSC-system lens. So that’s pure 16-35mm. Name is 11-23 because of some system solutions... 11-23 TL’s optical language is so widely perspective line of corner, ultra wide angle without deformation. That totally means: You don’t have to walk a few steps back when you shoot wide pictures with 11-23 T

 

 

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The lens is an 11-23mm lens. It might give the same angle of view as a 16-35mm lens on full frame, but it's not a 16-35mm lens. The focal length of the lens doesn't change because the sensor size is different.

 

I happen to think that APSC is an excellent digital format, with benefits over 'full frame' systems in terms of size, weight, cost etc., and image quality that's plenty good enough for most purposes.

[jaapv]

Quite agree. Focal length is a property of the lens, not of the sensor I wish people would stop using these confused equivalences and start learning the properties of the system.

[Le Chef]

Nice to see a special Reverso (Sun Moon?) in the wild!

[Alistairm]

I think it's pretty obvious the OP just meant that with an ultra wide angle zoom on the CL he doesn't feel constrained by the crop factor and that IQ is good enough he doesn't miss full frame.

 

I think it is also reasonably obvious that everyone posting in the thread understands his intent, even if you disagree with his nomenclature. But then again, I'm also a newbie here so didn't feel the need to "welcome" him with the old fashioned boarding school roll in the urinal.

 

Maybe take it a bit easy on a new member who pops in, posts some photos and celebrates his Leica gear... unless you don't actually want any new forum members.

Edited January 28, 2018 by Alistairm

[hkgmatt]

I agree it’s a cracking lens.

[Einst_Stein]

What made me felt I needed a FF was when I shot wide angle beyond 35mm equivalent with a HF camera. The widest M lens I had then is 21mm and 25mm now. I was not happy with any 24mm equivalent lens on HF. Leica WATE and ZM 15mm are simply not attractive enough for me,. though I had never seriously tried them.

 

T 11-23mm is the first wide angle lens to get rid of  that feeling. I was using Sony A7RII with Conrax N 17-35mm f2.8 through a thrid party full auto adapter. CN 17-35mm f2.8  is a very highly regarded lens, but since I have the T11-23, I managed to leave it in my collection shelf. 

 

[mmanda]

Welcome eraydinc    its great to see people joining in with such enthusiasm for this awesome camera!  Love your Reverso and images of your lovely home.  Look forward to more posts from you

 

Hi. I just bought new SUPER-VARIO-ELMAR-TL 11–23 f/3.5–4.5 ASPH. Crop factor is 16-35 mm. I made some basic test in my home immediately. Result. If you want to feel full frame with CL, 11-23 is totally for you. Super sharpness, perfect corners condition, colors also glamorous.

 

 

 

Nice to see a special Reverso (Sun Moon?) in the wild!

 

That was my thoughts too... stunning watch!

Edited January 28, 2018 by mmanda

[scott kirkpatrick]

When compared with other ultrawides for smaller formats, like the 7-14s for M43, the 11-23 is incredibly small and precise to boot.  That's probably why contributes to the CL's feeling like one of the big boys.  I'll agree with that thought. 

[eraydinc]

Welcome eraydinc [emoji4] its great to see people joining in with such enthusiasm for this awesome camera! Love your Reverso and images of your lovely home. Look forward to more posts from you [emoji4]

 

 

 

 

That was my thoughts too... stunning watch!

Thank you mmanda [emoji4][emoji1317]

 

I I just taken few photo with 11-23 to Reverso [emoji4]

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

My travel weapons [emoji4]

 

Edited January 28, 2018 by eraydinc

[jmahto]

Hi. I just bought new SUPER-VARIO-ELMAR-TL 11–23 f/3.5–4.5 ASPH. Crop factor is 16-35 mm. I made some basic test in my home immediately. Result. If you want to feel full frame with CL, 11-23 is totally for you. Super sharpness, perfect corners condition, colors also glamorous.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

First thing first. Welcome to the forum and enthusiasm is always appreciated. Glad to see you enjoying the camera.

 

However, your post re-affirms the fact that for most people sensor size discussion is academic. In practice for most situation it just doesn't matter (this is the reason many people use smartphone as well).

 

At the same time I agree with many knowledgeable posts above that there is more to FF (or other sensor sizes).

 

Enjoy shooting.

[jmahto]

When compared with other ultrawides for smaller formats, like the 7-14s for M43, the 11-23 is incredibly small and precise to boot. That's probably why contributes to the CL's feeling like one of the big boys. I'll agree with that thought.

Well, it will be interesting to see someone compare CV 15 (v2 or v3) output with 11-23. One is even more compact but the other is zoom and AF. You take your pick.

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[scott kirkpatrick]

Well, it will be interesting to see someone compare CV 15 (v2 or v3) output with 11-23. One is even more compact but the other is zoom and AF. You take your pick.

I have the CV15 version 1, but it is low on my list for testing.  I have compared the 11-23 with the 23/2.0 and even in the sweet spot for both lenses (say, f/5.6) the 11-23@23 is the sharper of the two.  I guess it just has more elements and can be more completely corrected.  There's nothing wrong with the 23/2.0 and its a nice-handling lens.  This is at the level of pixel peeping.

 

I'm going to do some work with the SE 18 M tomorrow, weather permitting, on both CL and SL since the discussion of what happens when you put a FF lens on an APS-C camera refuses to dies out, and I need to update a panorama of the scene around our CS Dept building in the light of several years of new construction.  Last time I used an SWC with a 39 MPx digital back.  Let's see how the modern 24 MPx cameras compare.

Edited January 28, 2018 by scott kirkpatrick