Center Weighted Metering is the Default

[rnl]

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I had specified multi point metering. I turned off the LV and the camera reverted to center weighted metering.  I checked the manual and could not find any reference to this. 

 

I called Leica...it seems that CW metering is the default when LV is turned off...

 

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Edited January 24, 2018 by richardlipow

[fatihayoglu]

I had specified multi point metering. I turned off the LV and the camera reverted to center weighted metering. I checked the manual and could not find any reference to this.

 

I called Leica...it seems that CW metering is the default when LV is turned off...

Rangefinder mode works only as CW metering.

 

 

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[M11 for me]

Of course the metering modes are described in the manual. You did not look well enough. As I do not have the manual in english language I can not indicate the page. Sorry about that but under „exposure“ (approx p. 55) you will find. This is probably the most important chapter to know very well. No need to call Leica . . . But never mind: even without knowing, when seeing the results you understand quickly how it works.

[jdlaing]

I had specified multi point metering. I turned off the LV and the camera reverted to center weighted metering.  I checked the manual and could not find any reference to this. 

 

I called Leica...it seems that CW metering is the default when LV is turned off...

That is correct.

[pedaes]

Same as M8,M9 and M240. Very clear in Manual.

[mdemeyer]

I don’t think this statement is quite precise. You can still use the camera as a rangefinder with LV turned on and the other metering modes. It’s just you are ALSO running LV with the attendant penalties (battery life and shutter has to close before opening each shot).

 

 

 

Rangefinder mode works only as CW metering.

 

 

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[Ickx]

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Metering in the Leica is done by looking at the light reflected on the shutter curtain. The basics are the same for M6 up until now. DSLR use a more complicated system inside the body that works with the mirrors. For live view it is instead done by looking at the image from the sensor, as with all other (I guess) modern mirrorless systems. 

 

This is also why metering on some old lenses that extends in to the body do not work.  

[jdlaing]

Metering in the Leica is done by looking at the light reflected on the shutter curtain. The basics are the same for M6 up until now. DSLR use a more complicated system inside the body that works with the mirrors. For live view it is instead done by looking at the image from the sensor, as with all other (I guess) modern mirrorless systems. 

 

This is also why metering on some old lenses that extends in to the body do not work.

 

Advanced metering is off the sensor in Live View mode if that is what is chosen.

[lct]

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Edited January 25, 2018 by lct

[RonM]

I don’t think this statement is quite precise. You can still use the camera as a rangefinder with LV turned on and the other metering modes. It’s just you are ALSO running LV with the attendant penalties (battery life and shutter has to close before opening each shot).

 

 

 

This brings up an interesting point.   This means that if you prefer to use multi-point metering instead of center-weighted, you can, by enabling LiveView, and then just using the rangefinder tor focusing and composing, (ignoring the LCD screen) but one must be aware of the limitations that are outlined above, and remember  to enable that metering mode each time you turn on LiveView.   Not convenient, but possible.

[rnl]

This brings up an interesting point.   This means that if you prefer to use multi-point metering instead of center-weighted, you can, by enabling LiveView, and then just using the rangefinder tor focusing and composing, (ignoring the LCD screen) but one must be aware of the limitations that are outlined above, and remember  to enable that metering mode each time you turn on LiveView.   Not convenient, but possible.

 

When I use the electronic viewfinder (lv is active) spot and multi is also available

[mdemeyer]

Actually I don’t think you have to reset the metering mode. Leave it in, for example, multi. When you turn off live view the metering reverts to center since that’s all it can do. But I don’t think it changes the mode setting in the menu. When you go back to live view, it should go back into multi.

 

Don’t have the camera at hand to confirm, but pretty sure that’s how it works.

 

This brings up an interesting point. This means that if you prefer to use multi-point metering instead of center-weighted, you can, by enabling LiveView, and then just using the rangefinder tor focusing and composing, (ignoring the LCD screen) but one must be aware of the limitations that are outlined above, and remember to enable that metering mode each time you turn on LiveView. Not convenient, but possible.

[mdemeyer]

Checked on camera. The behavior below is correct. So you can leave it set for Multi and it will go into Multi when LV is turned on. Of course, reverts to Center when LV is off.

 

I do use it this way in tricky exposure situations when I’m going faster than I can for thoughtful manual metering (bad boy, I know).

 

Actually I don’t think you have to reset the metering mode. Leave it in, for example, multi. When you turn off live view the metering reverts to center since that’s all it can do. But I don’t think it changes the mode setting in the menu. When you go back to live view, it should go back into multi.

 

Don’t have the camera at hand to confirm, but pretty sure that’s how it works.

 

 

[M11 for me]

Hm. It is probably very easy: When you choose LV then you can choose between 3 metering modes (in the menu) of which one is called center weighted. But in any case all 3 work directly on or with the sensor (as you use LV) and on the monitor you see the „final“ picture according to your settings. Of course you can look through the range finder at zhe time that LV is on. LV will as well remains active of course. There is nothing that blocks you looking through the range finder window. On the other hand when LV is OFF and you use the RF metering then you have center weighted metering as well as the default but this one is completely different from the one in LV. When you take off the lens then you see in front of the sensor that curtain with its 3 darker or lighter grey stripes. And the light that is reflected from these stripes is used when you use the center weighted measuring without LV. Whatever is set in the menu (that refers uniquely to LV; there is no menu point for RF metering) stays set as it is and has no influence on the metering process when you use the RF metering.

[FlashGordonPhotography]

Nothing wrong with CW metering if you know how to read it and interpret it. On systems where you can focus away from the centre it makes sense to use something else. A RF doesn't do that.

 

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[seck]

I am sure most m10 affectionados are purist. If i set it to spot meter, spot meter it shall be...one needs not do an extra step to turn the LV on to make it happen( i don’t use LV )....one brownie point off the design team..

[fatihayoglu]

17 hours ago, seck said:

I am sure most m10 affectionados are purist. If i set it to spot meter, spot meter it shall be...one needs not do an extra step to turn the LV on to make it happen( i don’t use LV )....one brownie point off the design team..

It is physically not possible to use anything but CW meter reading. Unlike DSLRs, there is no mirror between lens and the sensor, the item that reflects the image to another sensor to measure light etc. Leica reads the light as the reflection from the central shutter which is different color if you check. How other mirrorless cameras do it is quite simple, the sensors are always exposed and working, that's why mirrorless battery life is much shorter than DSLRs. You can use Leica M-10 exactly like a other mirrorless cameras however it slows down. So there is nothing the design team can do.

Edited July 29, 2019 by fatihayoglu