FlashGordonPhotography Posted January 12, 2018 Share #1 Posted January 12, 2018 Advertisement (gone after registration) Hey Leica! I'll say it here and now. I won't buy a 28mm fixed lens camera as my daily walk around. But if you make me a native 50mm version I will buy it tomorrow. First in line. A black one. Promise. Gordon p.s. Yes I know I can crop. But I won't. p.p.s I'm surprised Leica haven't announced a 35, 50 and 90mm versions of the Q. Is this not a no brainer? 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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prk60091 Posted January 12, 2018 Share #2 Posted January 12, 2018 Hey Leica! I'll say it here and now. I won't buy a 28mm fixed lens camera as my daily walk around. But if you make me a native 50mm version I will buy it tomorrow. First in line. A black one. Promise. Gordon p.s. Yes I know I can crop. But I won't. p.p.s I'm surprised Leica haven't announced a 35, 50 and 90mm versions of the Q. Is this not a no brainer? if you go back through the archives... you will see numerous posts about how it was not practicable to make a Q with other FL and still keep it small and usable...whether that is still true now- i do not know..i assume the rules of physics have not changed-- but perhaps design and engineering have advanced in the past 2 ½ years to allow a small Q with a 35 or 50 FL Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
HighlandK Posted January 12, 2018 Share #3 Posted January 12, 2018 Hey Leica! I'll say it here and now. I won't buy a 28mm fixed lens camera as my daily walk around. But if you make me a native 50mm version I will buy it tomorrow. First in line. A black one. Promise. Gordon p.s. Yes I know I can crop. But I won't. p.p.s I'm surprised Leica haven't announced a 35, 50 and 90mm versions of the Q. Is this not a no brainer? But you cannot go wider than 50mm with a 50mm lens (to state the bleeding obvious!!). Not sure why you rule out cropping. A 50mm crop on a Q will print to A3. For me that is a real benefit in a daily walk around camera. 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
dugby Posted January 13, 2018 Share #4 Posted January 13, 2018 (edited) if you go back through the archives... you will see numerous posts about how it was not practicable to make a Q with other FL and still keep it small and usable...whether that is still true now- i do not know..i assume the rules of physics have not changed-- but perhaps design and engineering have advanced in the past 2 ½ years to allow a small Q with a 35 or 50 FL I previously read many of those threads, and the references to "it was not practicable to make a Q with other FL and still keep it small and usable" But when one compares the physical dimensions (from the above wiki link) of 1) the ASPH-Summilux-M 35FLE, it is smaller than the ASPH-Summilux-M 28mm (granted that the Q 28mm is f/1.7) 2) the ASPH-Summilux-M 50, is also smaller than the ASPH-Summilux-M 28mm (granted that the Q 28mm is f/1.7). So If Leica can make a Summilux-Q 28mm f/1.7 work, it should be feasible that they could also make "small and usable" versions of a new Q with either.... Summilux-Q 35mm f/1.7 Summilux-Q 50mm f/1.7 Edited January 13, 2018 by dugby 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leica Guy Posted January 13, 2018 Share #5 Posted January 13, 2018 Aren’t those lenses manual focus? Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
FlashGordonPhotography Posted January 13, 2018 Author Share #6 Posted January 13, 2018 But you cannot go wider than 50mm with a 50mm lens (to state the bleeding obvious!!). Not sure why you rule out cropping. A 50mm crop on a Q will print to A3. For me that is a real benefit in a daily walk around camera. If I go out with my M for a day with a single lens 95% of the time it's a 50. And it's never a 28. I know what I like. Gordon Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
FlashGordonPhotography Posted January 13, 2018 Author Share #7 Posted January 13, 2018 Advertisement (gone after registration) if you go back through the archives... you will see numerous posts about how it was not practicable to make a Q with other FL and still keep it small and usable...whether that is still true now- i do not know..i assume the rules of physics have not changed-- but perhaps design and engineering have advanced in the past 2 ½ years to allow a small Q with a 35 or 50 FL Physics has nothing to do with it. It's simply can they sell enough to make a profit. Plenty of 50mm 1.8's out there that are small and would be smaller again if made as a non interchangeable version. I don't expect it to be as small as the 28 but it'd still be manageable. Gordon 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
prk60091 Posted January 13, 2018 Share #8 Posted January 13, 2018 Physics has nothing to do with it. It's simply can they sell enough to make a profit. Plenty of 50mm 1.8's out there that are small and would be smaller again if made as a non interchangeable version. I don't expect it to be as small as the 28 but it'd still be manageable. Gordon As mentioned above-they are manual focus lenses. They do not have the extra bulk of all that goes into AF. Keep chasing your unicorn Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
FlashGordonPhotography Posted January 20, 2018 Author Share #9 Posted January 20, 2018 As mentioned above-they are manual focus lenses. They do not have the extra bulk of all that goes into AF. Keep chasing your unicorn No unicorn here, sunshine. https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/409200-USA/Pentax_20180_SMCP_FA_43mm_f_1_9_Limited.html?sts=pi Compact, AF standard, 35mm format lens. There's also a 77mm available. You should realise that Leica are not the only manufacturer of compact lenses. Gordon 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
earleygallery Posted January 20, 2018 Share #10 Posted January 20, 2018 No unicorn here, sunshine. https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/409200-USA/Pentax_20180_SMCP_FA_43mm_f_1_9_Limited.html?sts=pi Compact, AF standard, 35mm format lens. There's also a 77mm available. You should realise that Leica are not the only manufacturer of compact lenses. Gordon That's a manual focus lens. A 50mm F1.8 or F2 AF lens isn't too large though - look at the Canon 50 f1.8 STM for example. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mctuomey Posted January 21, 2018 Share #11 Posted January 21, 2018 A f1.7 or f1.8 or f2.0 50mm Q would be just fine by me. A 28 and a 50 Q and I could be done done and done Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
FlashGordonPhotography Posted January 21, 2018 Author Share #12 Posted January 21, 2018 (edited) That's a manual focus lens. A 50mm F1.8 or F2 AF lens isn't too large though - look at the Canon 50 f1.8 STM for example. I don't think it is. FA is an auto focus designation and Ricoh describe the FA limited lenses as KAF, which is most definitely an auto focus lens. Wikepedia says it has a screw drive AF system. For Pentax: A= manual focus FA= Autofocus. Usually screw mount. DFA=designed for digital and autofocus (often with electronically driven motors) https://pentax.com.au/products/20180 It's also listed in the b&h specs as an AF lens. I did check before I posted. Gordon Edited January 21, 2018 by FlashGordonPhotography 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tailwagger Posted January 22, 2018 Share #13 Posted January 22, 2018 One of the things that seems to be forgotten, and I'll admit in previous calls for an Q with an M mount I failed to consider this myself, is the reality that the Q is a leaf shutter design. I wont pretend to understand the impact of this on the lens design other than to ask the question as to whether or not producing a Summilux level lens is made far more difficult as a result. And if so, at how much extra cost? Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
steveBK Posted January 23, 2018 Share #14 Posted January 23, 2018 I do worry about the future of the Q line as, to my understand the guy who designed it left for Hasselblad a few months back. Q has sold so well I’d hope they expand the line.. However the X, in its 3 fixed lens iterations never expanded beyond 35mm equivalent. Might we only see Q iterate to new sensors as the M/SL line gets updated in 2-3+ years, but remain 28mm? Or they don’t really want to be in the fixed lens business anymore (see: death of X line). Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mike3996 Posted January 26, 2018 Share #15 Posted January 26, 2018 (edited) Q50 with a summilux or even summicron on it would be a perfect companion to Q28. I crop the Q heavily, sometimes down to 2 megapixels. The quality is outstanding down to the pixel level. Q50 could come with 50/75/90 crop modes. Then again, to Leica's benefit, I'm seriously considering an M to accompany Q to cover those FLs Q can't handle. Joke's on them, I can only afford used bodies. Edited January 26, 2018 by mike3996 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
antigallican Posted January 27, 2018 Share #16 Posted January 27, 2018 (edited) Q50 with a summilux or even summicron on it would be a perfect companion to Q28. I crop the Q heavily, sometimes down to 2 megapixels. The quality is outstanding down to the pixel level. Q50 could come with 50/75/90 crop modes. Then again, to Leica's benefit, I'm seriously considering an M to accompany Q to cover those FLs Q can't handle. Joke's on them, I can only afford used bodies. I’ve only ever bought 2nd hand Leica, up to and including my Q. I think a buoyant 2nd hand market does support Leica. ‘It’s okay to pay our giant prices you can get much of the money back again.’ Edited January 27, 2018 by antigallican Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pappde Posted January 29, 2018 Share #17 Posted January 29, 2018 I don't think it is. FA is an auto focus designation and Ricoh describe the FA limited lenses as KAF, which is most definitely an auto focus lens. Wikepedia says it has a screw drive AF system. For Pentax: A= manual focus FA= Autofocus. Usually screw mount. DFA=designed for digital and autofocus (often with electronically driven motors) https://pentax.com.au/products/20180 It's also listed in the b&h specs as an AF lens. I did check before I posted. Gordon I think Pentax is the company that makes AF lenses where the motors for the lens are in the camera body and there is a drive shaft to the lens. Hence this AF lens system is much smaller that other AF lenses. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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