amansjeanphilippe Posted December 24, 2017 Share #1 Posted December 24, 2017 Advertisement (gone after registration) Hello I have a M8 and a Monochrom (1) and I am not happy... B&W from M8 are more interesting than Monochrom due to M8 IR sensitivity.... As a lot of people protect lenses with a filter... As IR-cut filter exist... As B&W pictures require the use of colour filter very often... As IR-cut filter is a coating and colour filter are mass coloured glass... There are no technical reason Leica don't offer the next Monochrom camera with a full spectrum sensor (in silver, please)... With a M10-MFS full-spectrum sensor, it may possible to take pictures in UV, visible and/or infrared light. With a IR-cut, the M10-MFS will provide visible light pictures, as M8 With colour filter with IR-cut coating, the M10-MFS will provide B&W pictures as i.e. Tri-X With colour filter without IR-cut coating, the M10-MFS will provide B&W pictures as i.e. Rollei 400S / 80S With IR-pass filter, the M10-MFS will provide B&W pictures as Kodak IR HighSpeed... Ok, colour filter with IR-cut coating doesn't exist right now, but it not really a problem So, If you agree with me that it is stupid to manufacture a B&W camera without IR possibility, add a post. More we are, much more chance to have it (in silver!) Thanks J.Ph. HalloIch habe eine M8 und ein Monochrom (1) und bin nicht glücklich ...B & W von M8 sind interessanter als Monochrom wegen IR M8 Empfindlichkeit ....Da viele Leute Linsen mit einem Filter schützen ...Als IR-Cut-Filter existieren ...Wie B & W-Bilder erfordern die Verwendung von Farbfilter sehr oft ...Als IR-Cut-Filter ist eine Beschichtung und Farbfilter Masse gefärbtes Glas ...Es gibt keinen technischen Grund, Leica bietet die nächste Monochrom-Kamera nicht mit einem Vollspektrum-Sensor an (bitte in Silber) ...Mit einem M10-MFS-Vollspektrumsensor ist es möglich, Bilder im UV-, sichtbaren und / oder Infrarotlicht aufzunehmen.Mit einem IR-Schnitt liefert das M10-MFS sichtbare Lichtbilder, wie M8Mit Farbfilter mit IR-Cut-Beschichtung, die M10-MFS wird SW-Bilder als d. H. Tri-XMit Farbfilter ohne IR-Cut-Beschichtung liefert der M10-MFS Schwarzweißbilder wie Rollei 400S / 80SMit dem IR-Pass-Filter liefert der M10-MFS Schwarzweißbilder wie Kodak IR HighSpeed ...OK, Farbfilter mit IR-Cut-Beschichtung gibt es derzeit nicht, aber es ist nicht wirklich ein ProblemAlso, wenn Sie mir zustimmen, dass es dumm ist, eine B & W-Kamera ohne IR-Möglichkeit herzustellen, fügen Sie einen Post hinzu.Mehr wir sind, viel mehr Chance, es zu haben (in Silber!)Vielen DankJ. Ph. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Advertisement Posted December 24, 2017 Posted December 24, 2017 Hi amansjeanphilippe, Take a look here M10-Monochrom Full spectrum and silver, please!. I'm sure you'll find what you were looking for!
frame-it Posted December 24, 2017 Share #2 Posted December 24, 2017 why dont you ask these guys if they can convert your Leica M https://www.lifepixel.com/product-category/our-services/full-spectrum-camera-conversion Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
amansjeanphilippe Posted December 24, 2017 Author Share #3 Posted December 24, 2017 Hello I ask them, they never do Leica-M and discard To vote for Full spectrum Monochrom is here http://www.summilux.net/forums/viewtopic.php?p=1157551#p1157551 Thanks J.Ph. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Belle123 Posted December 25, 2017 Share #4 Posted December 25, 2017 I had lifepixel convert a T to infrared and happy with that. They probably would do a TL2 so you would get 24mp. The M is far too complicated to take apart to convert due to the mechanical rangefinder. I wonder if they would do a SL? Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
amansjeanphilippe Posted January 5, 2018 Author Share #5 Posted January 5, 2018 Hello yes, a lot of mirroless can be converted to IR or Fullspectrum but near all are bayer filtered... Monochrom has no bayer filter and more sharpness. In bayer filter, only blue and red pixel pass IR, green cut IR, you lost 50% of pixels... (Monochrom: 1 point) Mirroless allow direct focusing in IR but with a lot of noise and low resolution EVF, telemetric camera like Leica give same finder brightness with IR filter (or colour filter) (Monochrom: 1 point) M8 experience prove that a lot of Leica lenses pass IR very well... (Monochrom: 1 point). I found BW pleasant and IR-BW good for portrait and landscape... J.Ph. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted January 5, 2018 Share #6 Posted January 5, 2018 I had lifepixel convert a T to infrared and happy with that. They probably would do a TL2 so you would get 24mp. The M is far too complicated to take apart to convert due to the mechanical rangefinder. I wonder if they would do a SL? What is the complication? There are no changes to be made to the rangefinder. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted January 5, 2018 Share #7 Posted January 5, 2018 Advertisement (gone after registration) Hello I have a M8 and a Monochrom (1) and I am not happy... B&W from M8 are more interesting than Monochrom due to M8 IR sensitivity.... As a lot of people protect lenses with a filter... As IR-cut filter exist... As B&W pictures require the use of colour filter very often... As IR-cut filter is a coating and colour filter are mass coloured glass... There are no technical reason Leica don't offer the next Monochrom camera with a full spectrum sensor (in silver, please)... With a M10-MFS full-spectrum sensor, it may possible to take pictures in UV, visible and/or infrared light. With a IR-cut, the M10-MFS will provide visible light pictures, as M8 With colour filter with IR-cut coating, the M10-MFS will provide B&W pictures as i.e. Tri-X With colour filter without IR-cut coating, the M10-MFS will provide B&W pictures as i.e. Rollei 400S / 80S With IR-pass filter, the M10-MFS will provide B&W pictures as Kodak IR HighSpeed... Ok, colour filter with IR-cut coating doesn't exist right now, but it not really a problem So, If you agree with me that it is stupid to manufacture a B&W camera without IR possibility, add a post. More we are, much more chance to have it (in silver!) Thanks J.Ph. Hallo Ich habe eine M8 und ein Monochrom (1) und bin nicht glücklich ... B & W von M8 sind interessanter als Monochrom wegen IR M8 Empfindlichkeit .... Da viele Leute Linsen mit einem Filter schützen ... Als IR-Cut-Filter existieren ... Wie B & W-Bilder erfordern die Verwendung von Farbfilter sehr oft ... Als IR-Cut-Filter ist eine Beschichtung und Farbfilter Masse gefärbtes Glas ... Es gibt keinen technischen Grund, Leica bietet die nächste Monochrom-Kamera nicht mit einem Vollspektrum-Sensor an (bitte in Silber) ... Mit einem M10-MFS-Vollspektrumsensor ist es möglich, Bilder im UV-, sichtbaren und / oder Infrarotlicht aufzunehmen. Mit einem IR-Schnitt liefert das M10-MFS sichtbare Lichtbilder, wie M8 Mit Farbfilter mit IR-Cut-Beschichtung, die M10-MFS wird SW-Bilder als d. H. Tri-X Mit Farbfilter ohne IR-Cut-Beschichtung liefert der M10-MFS Schwarzweißbilder wie Rollei 400S / 80S Mit dem IR-Pass-Filter liefert der M10-MFS Schwarzweißbilder wie Kodak IR HighSpeed ... OK, Farbfilter mit IR-Cut-Beschichtung gibt es derzeit nicht, aber es ist nicht wirklich ein Problem Also, wenn Sie mir zustimmen, dass es dumm ist, eine B & W-Kamera ohne IR-Möglichkeit herzustellen, fügen Sie einen Post hinzu. Mehr wir sind, viel mehr Chance, es zu haben (in Silber!) Vielen Dank J. Ph. If you are converting a camera anyway, why don't you have the IR filter from the Monochrom removed? That will give you double the IR sensitivity of the M8. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
amansjeanphilippe Posted January 5, 2018 Author Share #8 Posted January 5, 2018 Hello If you are converting a camera anyway, why don't you have the IR filter from the Monochrom removed? That will give you double the IR sensitivity of the M8. I ask for but nobody never do that on Leica M (8/9/MN-v1/240/246....) and they don't know how to open camera and how IR filter is bonded on CCD/Cmos... Do you know people do that? > That will give you double the IR sensitivity of the M8. Yes I guess too, due to remove of bayer filter... Thanks J.Ph. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Belle123 Posted January 6, 2018 Share #9 Posted January 6, 2018 (edited) What is the complication? There are no changes to be made to the rangefinder.Huh??? Edited January 6, 2018 by Belle123 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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frame-it Posted October 7, 2018 Share #11 Posted October 7, 2018 try >> OPTIC MAKARIO Website: http://www.optic-makario.de/ (in German) Address: Aachener Straße 61 41061 Mönchengladbach Germany Opening hours: Mo – Do 10:00 – 17:00 Uhr Fr 10:00 – 16:00 Uhr Phone number: +49 2161 175711 Email address: optic@optic-makario.de Type of conversions offered: Ultraviolet, Infrared, Full Spectrum Camera brands: Nikon, Canon, Sony, Leica, Konica-Minolta, Pentax, Panasonic, Fuji, Progress, others Filter material used: n/a Approximate turnaround time: n/a Warranty on modification: 6 months Other comments: For Nikon models, the manufacturer warranty will remain intact Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
adan Posted October 7, 2018 Share #12 Posted October 7, 2018 (edited) What is the complication? There are no changes to be made to the rangefinder. If you strip down an M to the point of removing and replacing the sensor, you need special equipment (in Leica's case, proprietary) to ensure the sensor is correctly shimmed and positioned relative to the RF when re-installed. Plus there is always the chance that something gets - nudged - while the "surgeon" is at work. I sure would not want some random service-provider messing around inside an M of mine without the proper factory equipment for a final check of alignment of all the systems. Edited October 7, 2018 by adan Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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