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If the CL were my 1st camera, I would demand much more out of it, starting with a better selection of glass.

 

As it stands though, it serves as my 4th camera and thus I'm more lenient of it's lack of features.

Better selection of lenses? (how I hate the word "glass" for "lens...  

  R lenses if you like. And anything else you can adapt - meaning thousands of other brand lenses.

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Better selection of lenses? (how I hate the word "glass" for "lens...  

  R lenses if you like. And anything else you can adapt - meaning thousands of other brand lenses.

 

Well the M "glass"

 are manual focus and the SL "glass" are impractical due to their size.

I'm talking native T/TL lenses. I think that's what people usually refer to when talking about lens selection.

 

If you feel 7 native lenses are enough more power to you. My photography requires fast zooms and fast primes with AF. And no, I'm not joking.

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Not the way this camera is positioned. It is at the centre of various Leica systems, with dedicated adapters for M and R, shared mount with the SL. I am a bit puzzled about your remark about "needing" fast zooms and primes with AF. That would require a heavy and bulky DSLR system in real life, or ART and OTUS lenses,  yet you gripe about the bulk of SL lenses.

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I'm not sure why you're having a hard time understanding that M/R/SL lenses are not native lenses. Just because you can physically mount A-mount and FE-mount lenses to a A6000 doesn't mean that camera is at "the centre of Sony systems." All it means to most photographers is that the APS-C E-mount lens selection is poor and they'd have to resort to adapted lenses.

 

As I posted above, I need fast AF zooms and AF primes from my primary system. I currently use a Fuji X-T2 to cover those needs. Lenses like the 56/1.2 and 50-140/2.8 are both rather small and light so I'm still not sure why you think I'm joking.

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I fully agree with this.

 

If Leica wants to make the SL and the CL/TL2 systems successful they need to get more native lenses out there.  It is a simple as that...  

 

I believe Leica's lens line-up up till now is carefully and very sensibly chosen: 3 zooms, 2 walkaround travel lenses and 2 faster larger reference lenses.  

 

IMO you need all of the above to make a system successful.  It just needs to be further extended.

 

About the zooms, not sure whether they necessarily need to be fast, but OIS would certainly be very helpful. 

 

I would buy a new OIS version of the 18-55 in a heartbeat.  I would prefer it to be slightly faster as well, say f2.8-4. Very similar to the 24-90 on the SL.  

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I have faith that Karbe and his team in Leica know what they are doing. Having said that, I struggle to understand why the 18-55 is a slow f/3.5 - 5.6 when Fuji has a constant f/2.8 lens in its lineup. 

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Having said that, I struggle to understand why the 18-55 is a slow f/3.5 - 5.6 when Fuji has a constant f/2.8 lens in its lineup. 

 

Additionally 8 out of 9 Fuji zooms have OIS...

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Nobody spoke about Dual IS - at least I didn't.

Well, it is when IS really gets useful...

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I fully agree with this.

 

If Leica wants to make the SL and the CL/TL2 systems successful they need to get more native lenses out there.  It is a simple as that...  

 

I believe Leica's lens line-up up till now is carefully and very sensibly chosen: 3 zooms, 2 walkaround travel lenses and 2 faster larger reference lenses.  

 

IMO you need all of the above to make a system successful.  It just needs to be further extended.

 

About the zooms, not sure whether they necessarily need to be fast, but OIS would certainly be very helpful. 

 

I would buy a new OIS version of the 18-55 in a heartbeat.  I would prefer it to be slightly faster as well, say f2.8-4. Very similar to the 24-90 on the SL.  

Carefully chosen and expanding; I suspect that it will accelerate with a successful CL.

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Ultra sonic Sensor cleaning system like the SL has.

 

Wilson

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This should have been a greater collaboration between Leica and Panasonic as far as lenses go lets be fair to Leica it is a cost size aspect that comes into play. Fuji have gone down to f2 prime lenses from f1.4 though they do have a constant f2.8 zoom

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I think the collaboration is pretty obvious. The new TL 18 is clearly a Panasonic MFT  14 on steroids.

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I think the collaboration is pretty obvious. The new TL 15 is clearly a Panasonic MFT  14 on steroids.

There's a TL15??? I'm in if there is.

TL35 compact would be the icing.

Gary

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A greater collaberation would have lead to in camera image stabilisation

Can only agree. And an OLED EVF, BTW.

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Leica lenses, which offer image stabilization, can be used without any restriction on the CL

 

 

No stabilization for R or M lenses, and IBIS adds more stabilization dimensions.

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