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CL and SL comparison with lenses of similar capability

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vikasmg   

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It’s amazing what a reduction from full frame to APS-C makes possible...

 

from Compact Camera Meter http://j.mp/2jFCOXE

 

Also, just under 0.9 lb versus nearly 1.9 lb (https://www.apotelyt.com/compare-camera/leica-cl-vs-leica-sl )

 

- Vikas

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Yes, as long as you dont take the bigger viewfinder, better AF, larger sensor, shallower DOF, etc etc into account.

I also believe the 50/1.4 SL is more aimed to perfection than the 35/1.4 (which is a very good lens but not as "perfect" as the 50/1.4).

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chris_tribble   

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An interesting game.  How about this one for size...

 

 

Where the CL MIGHT start to play a role is for situations where I need to have a longer reach.  At the moment my solution is the A-T 135 on the M + the EVF or a Canon 5D3 with 70-200 2.8 (which way a ton!).  The CL + the 135 or the 55-135 zoom might just tip me across...

 

I had the SL but got rid of it because it was too big to carry around as a companion camera even with an M lens attached, in the end, I preferred the OVF on the Canon DSLR. 

 

My current feeling is that the M10 with a 35 summicron will continue to be the companion, go anywhere as it fits into a shoulder bag so easily it's with me nearly all the time.  Really - there's no size advantage for this focal length.

 

 
All good fun anyway!

 

 

 

 

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tom0511   

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Yes, as long as you dont take the bigger viewfinder, better AF, larger sensor, shallower DOF, etc etc into account.

I also believe the 50/1.4 SL is more aimed to perfection than the 35/1.4 (which is a very good lens but not as "perfect" as the 50/1.4).

 

I want to add that I am not arguing against the size advantage, I just wanted to say there are some compromises to make for the smaller size.

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I want to add that I am not arguing against the size advantage, I just wanted to say there are some compromises to make for the smaller size.

Fully agree.  When I need maximum IQ I'll stick with the full frame M - Canon.  HOWEVER, I'm beginning to recognise that APS-C with really good glass can do a pretty damn good job - both for print and for screen ...

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Where the CL MIGHT start to play a role is for situations where I need to have a longer reach.  At the moment my solution is the A-T 135 on the M + the EVF or a Canon 5D3 with 70-200 2.8 (which way a ton!).  The CL + the 135 or the 55-135 zoom might just tip me across...

 

 

Does your 70-200 have vibration reduction, Chris? The smaller size of the CL and 55-135 does look attractive in comparison but I wouldn't want to shoot a long lens at an event without VR of some kind. Even with high ISO capability I often find I'm shooting 200mm at 1/60 and I wouldn't want to do that without some form of image stabilisation.

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My current feeling is that the M10 with a 35 summicron will continue to be the companion, go anywhere as it fits into a shoulder bag so easily it's with me nearly all the time.  Really - there's no size advantage for this focal length.

 

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All good fun anyway!

 

 

Leica M10 + Summicron 35mm = 915g

Leica CL + 18mm = 483g ( or tl summicron 35mm = 557g)

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wattsy   

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Leica M10 + Summicron 35mm = 915g

Leica CL + 18mm = 483g ( or tl summicron 35mm = 557g)

 

 

Yes, that's a god point. A Leica M with a 35 Summicron (or even with just the body cap) is quite a dense object and, when photography isn't the main objective, it can feel a bit like carrying a small brick around with you.

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chris_tribble   

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Does your 70-200 have vibration reduction, Chris? The smaller size of the CL and 55-135 does look attractive in comparison but I wouldn't want to shoot a long lens at an event without VR of some kind. Even with high ISO capability I often find I'm shooting 200mm at 1/60 and I wouldn't want to do that without some form of image stabilisation.

Ian - the Canon 70-200 mk2 is image stabilised and a stunningly good lens.  I use a monopod when I'm doing events - saves my neck and back!  

IQ from a recent Tomasz Stanko gig in London where my set up ( as usual) was the Canon 5DIII + 70-200 and 2 M10s with 28 summicron asph + 50 summilux asph.

 

 

 

 

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chris_tribble   

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Yes, that's a god point. A Leica M with a 35 Summicron (or even with just the body cap) is quite a dense object and, when photography isn't the main objective, it can feel a bit like carrying a small brick around with you.

Agreed on the weight - but it's such a reassuring little brick... 

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LocalHero1953   

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Agreed on the weight - but it's such a reassuring little brick... 

Yes, a brick on a strap is excellent for dealing with muggers.

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wattsy   

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Ian - the Canon 70-200 mk2 is image stabilised and a stunningly good lens. 

 

 

 

Yes, the modern 70-200 VR lenses from Canon and Nikon are remarkably good. I have the F4 Nikon variety (I prefer the lighter weight versus the F2.8) and it is probably the best (certainly the most useful in a money earning sense) lens that I own. It focusses accurately in an instant in deep gloom, is very sharp and the VR is incredibly effective. It is the complete antithesis of my other favourite lens – the 28 Summaron-M – which I use in an entirely different context.

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wattsy   

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Yes, a brick on a strap is excellent for dealing with muggers.

 

I know you are only joking but would you really fancy your chances swinging a Leica against an assailant with a knife or just their fists?

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LocalHero1953   

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I know you are only joking but would you really fancy your chances swinging a Leica against an assailant with a knife or just their fists?

The only time I have ever faced an attempted mugging, it was in a remote rural area in the Far East. He had a large knife and I had a large radiocassette player. I swung it at him, he backed off, and I jumped in my landrover and ran away. A Leica M240 wouldn't be my defence weapon of choice, but needs must......

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The only time I have ever faced an attempted mugging, it was in a remote rural area in the Far East. He had a large knife and I had a large radiocassette player. I swung it at him, he backed off, and I jumped in my landrover and ran away. A Leica M240 wouldn't be my defence weapon of choice, but needs must......

 

I did the same thing years back in Amsterdam with a Contarex Super and the Sonnar 135mm f2.8, holding the combo by the lens...

 

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tom0511   

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I find dx a very good compromise between still smooth IQ, size and price; also a sensor size where you get reasonable DOF without a tripod but also get shallow dof with a fast lens if you want so.

On the other side even DX camera with lenses is not a pocket camera. And how much difference does it make to bring a pretty small bag or just small bag or a little bigger bag?

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LocalHero1953   

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I did the same thing years back in Amsterdam with a Contarex Super and the Sonnar 135mm f2.8, holding the combo by the lens...

 

Guy

Ach, Contarex, who cares about damaging that

You'd think twice before hitting a mugger with a Leica.

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Chaemono   

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CL + 35mm TL (almost 3:1 crop)

ISO 1600 f/1.4 @ 1/125 sec.

 

 

SL + 50 Summilux-SL (almost 3:1 crop)

ISO 1600 f/2.0 @ 1/125 sec.

 

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CL + 35mm TL (almost 3:1 crop)

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ISO 1600 f/1.4 @ 1/125 sec.

 

 

SL + 50 Summilux-SL (almost 3:1 crop)

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ISO 1600 f/2.0 @ 1/125 sec.

Why I am seeing so much grain for 1600ISO? Was any NR applied in PP?

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