vikasmg #1 Posted December 3, 2017 (edited) Advertisement (gone after registration) It’s amazing what a reduction from full frame to APS-C makes possible... from Compact Camera Meter http://j.mp/2jFCOXE Hello guest! Please register or sign in to view the hidden content. Also, just under 0.9 lb versus nearly 1.9 lb (https://www.apotelyt.com/compare-camera/leica-cl-vs-leica-sl ) - Vikas Edited December 3, 2017 by vikasmg 5 lx1713, svenb, bencychin and 2 others reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Mr.Q #2 Posted December 3, 2017 Honestly the only FF frame system I can tolerate is the Leica M. Everything else is unnecessarily too big, especially considering how well the APS-C sensors perform nowadays. 5 Mark Pope, fastcar888, ronnjay and 2 others reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
tom0511 #3 Posted December 3, 2017 Yes, as long as you dont take the bigger viewfinder, better AF, larger sensor, shallower DOF, etc etc into account. I also believe the 50/1.4 SL is more aimed to perfection than the 35/1.4 (which is a very good lens but not as "perfect" as the 50/1.4). 1 Chaemono reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
chris_tribble #4 Posted December 4, 2017 (edited) An interesting game. How about this one for size... Hello guest! Please register or sign in to view the hidden content. Where the CL MIGHT start to play a role is for situations where I need to have a longer reach. At the moment my solution is the A-T 135 on the M + the EVF or a Canon 5D3 with 70-200 2.8 (which way a ton!). The CL + the 135 or the 55-135 zoom might just tip me across... I had the SL but got rid of it because it was too big to carry around as a companion camera even with an M lens attached, in the end, I preferred the OVF on the Canon DSLR. My current feeling is that the M10 with a 35 summicron will continue to be the companion, go anywhere as it fits into a shoulder bag so easily it's with me nearly all the time. Really - there's no size advantage for this focal length. Hello guest! Please register or sign in to view the hidden content. All good fun anyway! Edited December 4, 2017 by chris_tribble 2 vikasmg and rodoleica reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
tom0511 #5 Posted December 4, 2017 Yes, as long as you dont take the bigger viewfinder, better AF, larger sensor, shallower DOF, etc etc into account. I also believe the 50/1.4 SL is more aimed to perfection than the 35/1.4 (which is a very good lens but not as "perfect" as the 50/1.4). I want to add that I am not arguing against the size advantage, I just wanted to say there are some compromises to make for the smaller size. 2 FlashGordonPhotography and vikasmg reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
chris_tribble #6 Posted December 4, 2017 I want to add that I am not arguing against the size advantage, I just wanted to say there are some compromises to make for the smaller size. Fully agree. When I need maximum IQ I'll stick with the full frame M - Canon. HOWEVER, I'm beginning to recognise that APS-C with really good glass can do a pretty damn good job - both for print and for screen ... 1 vikasmg reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wattsy #7 Posted December 4, 2017 Advertisement (gone after registration) Where the CL MIGHT start to play a role is for situations where I need to have a longer reach. At the moment my solution is the A-T 135 on the M + the EVF or a Canon 5D3 with 70-200 2.8 (which way a ton!). The CL + the 135 or the 55-135 zoom might just tip me across... Does your 70-200 have vibration reduction, Chris? The smaller size of the CL and 55-135 does look attractive in comparison but I wouldn't want to shoot a long lens at an event without VR of some kind. Even with high ISO capability I often find I'm shooting 200mm at 1/60 and I wouldn't want to do that without some form of image stabilisation. 1 RoySmith reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
moukku #8 Posted December 4, 2017 My current feeling is that the M10 with a 35 summicron will continue to be the companion, go anywhere as it fits into a shoulder bag so easily it's with me nearly all the time. Really - there's no size advantage for this focal length. Hello guest! Please register or sign in to view the hidden content. COMPARE_2.jpg All good fun anyway! Leica M10 + Summicron 35mm = 915g Leica CL + 18mm = 483g ( or tl summicron 35mm = 557g) Hello guest! Please register or sign in to view the hidden content. 3 Archiver, wattsy and JMF reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wattsy #9 Posted December 4, 2017 Leica M10 + Summicron 35mm = 915g Leica CL + 18mm = 483g ( or tl summicron 35mm = 557g) Hello guest! Please register or sign in to view the hidden content. Yes, that's a god point. A Leica M with a 35 Summicron (or even with just the body cap) is quite a dense object and, when photography isn't the main objective, it can feel a bit like carrying a small brick around with you. 2 JMF and vikasmg reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
chris_tribble #10 Posted December 4, 2017 Does your 70-200 have vibration reduction, Chris? The smaller size of the CL and 55-135 does look attractive in comparison but I wouldn't want to shoot a long lens at an event without VR of some kind. Even with high ISO capability I often find I'm shooting 200mm at 1/60 and I wouldn't want to do that without some form of image stabilisation. Ian - the Canon 70-200 mk2 is image stabilised and a stunningly good lens. I use a monopod when I'm doing events - saves my neck and back! IQ from a recent Tomasz Stanko gig in London where my set up ( as usual) was the Canon 5DIII + 70-200 and 2 M10s with 28 summicron asph + 50 summilux asph. Hello guest! Please register or sign in to view the hidden content. Hello guest! Please register or sign in to view the hidden content. Hello guest! Please register or sign in to view the hidden content. Hello guest! Please register or sign in to view the hidden content. 3 Deliberate1, Sandokan and ropo54 reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
chris_tribble #11 Posted December 4, 2017 Yes, that's a god point. A Leica M with a 35 Summicron (or even with just the body cap) is quite a dense object and, when photography isn't the main objective, it can feel a bit like carrying a small brick around with you. Agreed on the weight - but it's such a reassuring little brick... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
LocalHero1953 #12 Posted December 4, 2017 (edited) Agreed on the weight - but it's such a reassuring little brick... Yes, a brick on a strap is excellent for dealing with muggers. Hello guest! Please register or sign in to view the hidden content. Edited December 4, 2017 by LocalHero1953 2 Photon42 and vikasmg reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wattsy #13 Posted December 4, 2017 Ian - the Canon 70-200 mk2 is image stabilised and a stunningly good lens. Yes, the modern 70-200 VR lenses from Canon and Nikon are remarkably good. I have the F4 Nikon variety (I prefer the lighter weight versus the F2.8) and it is probably the best (certainly the most useful in a money earning sense) lens that I own. It focusses accurately in an instant in deep gloom, is very sharp and the VR is incredibly effective. It is the complete antithesis of my other favourite lens – the 28 Summaron-M – which I use in an entirely different context. 1 chris_tribble reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wattsy #14 Posted December 4, 2017 Yes, a brick on a strap is excellent for dealing with muggers. Hello guest! Please register or sign in to view the hidden content. I know you are only joking but would you really fancy your chances swinging a Leica against an assailant with a knife or just their fists? 1 LocalHero1953 reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
LocalHero1953 #15 Posted December 4, 2017 I know you are only joking but would you really fancy your chances swinging a Leica against an assailant with a knife or just their fists? The only time I have ever faced an attempted mugging, it was in a remote rural area in the Far East. He had a large knife and I had a large radiocassette player. I swung it at him, he backed off, and I jumped in my landrover and ran away. A Leica M240 wouldn't be my defence weapon of choice, but needs must...... 5 chris_tribble, wattsy, Archiver and 2 others reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
gvaliquette #16 Posted December 4, 2017 The only time I have ever faced an attempted mugging, it was in a remote rural area in the Far East. He had a large knife and I had a large radiocassette player. I swung it at him, he backed off, and I jumped in my landrover and ran away. A Leica M240 wouldn't be my defence weapon of choice, but needs must...... I did the same thing years back in Amsterdam with a Contarex Super and the Sonnar 135mm f2.8, holding the combo by the lens... Guy 1 LocalHero1953 reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
tom0511 #17 Posted December 4, 2017 I find dx a very good compromise between still smooth IQ, size and price; also a sensor size where you get reasonable DOF without a tripod but also get shallow dof with a fast lens if you want so. On the other side even DX camera with lenses is not a pocket camera. And how much difference does it make to bring a pretty small bag or just small bag or a little bigger bag? 1 toyfel reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
LocalHero1953 #18 Posted December 4, 2017 (edited) I did the same thing years back in Amsterdam with a Contarex Super and the Sonnar 135mm f2.8, holding the combo by the lens... Guy Ach, Contarex, who cares about damaging that Hello guest! Please register or sign in to view the hidden content. You'd think twice before hitting a mugger with a Leica. Edited December 4, 2017 by LocalHero1953 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Chaemono #19 Posted December 9, 2017 CL + 35mm TL (almost 3:1 crop) Hello guest! Please register or sign in to view the hidden content. ISO 1600 f/1.4 @ 1/125 sec. SL + 50 Summilux-SL (almost 3:1 crop) Hello guest! Please register or sign in to view the hidden content. ISO 1600 f/2.0 @ 1/125 sec. 1 JMF reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jmahto #20 Posted December 9, 2017 CL + 35mm TL (almost 3:1 crop) Hello guest! Please register or sign in to view the hidden content. C1000003_cr_lufv.jpg ISO 1600 f/1.4 @ 1/125 sec. SL + 50 Summilux-SL (almost 3:1 crop) Hello guest! Please register or sign in to view the hidden content. S1010302_cr_lufv.jpg ISO 1600 f/2.0 @ 1/125 sec. Why I am seeing so much grain for 1600ISO? Was any NR applied in PP? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
