lct Posted May 12, 2018 Share #401 Posted May 12, 2018 Advertisement (gone after registration) I put a question mark against " better than the M240". Could you please substantiate? Well i don't want to despair my good Leica friends here but the listing of advantages would be boring i'm afraid and i'm too lazy for that. Let's say Star Wars vs Jurassic Park? Just kidding but aside from the different focusing device i'm not far from thinking this way. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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jaapv Posted May 12, 2018 Share #402 Posted May 12, 2018 <Bless>.. I use Sony -medical-professionally- as well and I find the colour ummm..displeasing to avoid a different word. I prefer Leica files for postprocessing by a wide margin. I would not dream of wasting my Leica lenses on them, but then I don't have your Kolari contraption. Disclosure for the argument - one of the shots I got into the LuUFbook was a Leica lens on a NEX7, which is my wife's cat-shooting camera now, and I wish I had taken it on a Leica sensor for the colour and rendering... 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ozytripper Posted May 14, 2018 Share #403 Posted May 14, 2018 People interested in M lenses buy rangefinder cameras . Not true. Otherwise this topic would not come up again and again and again and again......... And yes, the M market is shrinking, with or without EVF. All the more reason Leica should make a hybrid OVF/EVF camera, failing which just an EVF FF. It is obvious that Leica understands the predicament it is in other wise it would not have explored and tried to make a hybrid OVF/EVF - it did say it was not happy with the end result (so far). Remember it once said a Full Frame Rangefinder was not possible? What is not possible today is reality tomorrow. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Einst_Stein Posted May 14, 2018 Author Share #404 Posted May 14, 2018 There are two ways to see this hypothetical camera. A FF upgrade of CL or a modernized M. A FF upgraded CL clearly has L mount and EVF. A modernized M must have EVF and M or L mount. I feel very safe to bet FF CL will come soon assume the reason is selfevident. I can't see the justification of a modernized M without L mount. People can't live without EVF but also can't live with ML adapter are simply not in the priority to consider. They are actually all quite happy in the classical M school. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted May 14, 2018 Share #405 Posted May 14, 2018 People interested in M lenses buy rangefinder cameras . Not true. Otherwise this topic would not come up again and again and again and again......... And yes, the M market is shrinking, with or without EVF. All the more reason Leica should make a hybrid OVF/EVF camera, failing which just an EVF FF. It is obvious that Leica understands the predicament it is in other wise it would not have explored and tried to make a hybrid OVF/EVF - it did say it was not happy with the end result (so far). Remember it once said a Full Frame Rangefinder was not possible? What is not possible today is reality tomorrow. Actually Leica never said that... As for the first, it is in Leica's interest to make an EVF M-type camera as universal as possible - which means the L mount - and an Autofocus option for non-M lenses. Basically a classically pimped and shrunk SL. 4 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Einst_Stein Posted June 2, 2018 Author Share #406 Posted June 2, 2018 This thread is reaching its end. It is coming arounf june 14, two weeks from now. Its rumored name is CM. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mpmckenzie Posted June 3, 2018 Share #407 Posted June 3, 2018 Advertisement (gone after registration) its like waiting for x-mass , i hope everybody is happy with the leica gift Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted June 3, 2018 Share #408 Posted June 3, 2018 At Leica prices, I think the word "gift" is a bit of a misnomer. 3 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Einst_Stein Posted June 3, 2018 Author Share #409 Posted June 3, 2018 (edited) Among Leica Users, the least issue is price :) Edited June 3, 2018 by Einst_Stein 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted June 3, 2018 Share #410 Posted June 3, 2018 If Santa gets paid Leica prices for giving "gifts" he must be richer than Bill Gates... Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JTLeica Posted June 6, 2018 Share #411 Posted June 6, 2018 There are two ways to see this hypothetical camera. A FF upgrade of CL or a modernized M. A FF upgraded CL clearly has L mount and EVF. A modernized M must have EVF and M or L mount. I feel very safe to bet FF CL will come soon assume the reason is selfevident. I can't see the justification of a modernized M without L mount. People can't live without EVF but also can't live with ML adapter are simply not in the priority to consider. They are actually all quite happy in the classical M school. Can I just check your logic? Is that going to take CL lenses or SL lenses? Or a whole new type of lens? Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted June 6, 2018 Share #412 Posted June 6, 2018 Basically any L mount camera will take any L mount lens, be it SL or TL (CL) Except that a full-frame L mount camera will crop down to APS-C automatically when using a TL lens. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lct Posted June 6, 2018 Share #413 Posted June 6, 2018 But an L mount camera cannot do auto image magnification with M lenses. Thanks no thanks. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted June 6, 2018 Share #414 Posted June 6, 2018 No camera but an M can, so you are most likely stuck with the M10 I fear... Even a hypothetical "M" camera with an L mount will not be able to do this. Only in the unlikely case that Leica surprises us with an M-mount EVF camera will your wish be granted. I find it a bit surprising coming from you, though, as you mention in every second post that you are over the moon with your "Kolari-Sony", which has no auto-magnification either. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lct Posted June 6, 2018 Share #415 Posted June 6, 2018 My A7s mod lacks auto zoom with M lenses the same way as L mount cameras, but i can hardly criticize Sony for that... 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted June 6, 2018 Share #416 Posted June 6, 2018 Nor can you Leica, as the magnification feature is closely linked to the M mount, just like other features are specific to more modern mount types. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lct Posted June 6, 2018 Share #417 Posted June 6, 2018 Nor can you Leica, as the magnification feature is closely linked to the M mount, just like other features are specific to more modern mount types. I will certainly criticize Leica if it sells what you call « a hypothetical "M" camera with an L mount » w/o an adapter for auto image magnification. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted June 6, 2018 Share #418 Posted June 6, 2018 I know - but will it be justified? Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lct Posted June 6, 2018 Share #419 Posted June 6, 2018 I know - but will it be justified? Sure it will as aside from 6-bit coding, auto zoom will remain the only superiority of Leica over Sony, at least for me. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Einst_Stein Posted June 6, 2018 Author Share #420 Posted June 6, 2018 Can I just check your logic? Is that going to take CL lenses or SL lenses? Or a whole new type of lens? Not sure what Leica will do, but my hypothetical ML (or CM) could take both SL and TL/CL lenses, and if you set to auto HF/FF switching, it could detect a TL/CL, show the HF view in the EVF， and deliver the HF image。 Same as SL does. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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