BNoog Posted October 30, 2017 Share #1 Posted October 30, 2017 Advertisement (gone after registration) Hello, I am wondering if getting a 0.85 would be detrimental to my shooting experience if I plan to shoot primarily 35mm and 50mm. The reason why I am asking is because I found a great deal on a 0.85 but not a 0.72 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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ShivaYash Posted October 30, 2017 Share #2 Posted October 30, 2017 (edited) Go for it. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Edited October 30, 2017 by ShivaYash Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
otto.f Posted October 30, 2017 Share #3 Posted October 30, 2017 (edited) 35 is ok with .85. 28 cumbersome and 24 impossible. With .72 you can learn working with 24 without separate finder. I’ve always been very happy with my .85, it’s a bit more comfortable focusing because it’s nearer. If it’s a good deal, it’s ok. But if it’s a nice and good copy, I think that’s more important, you’ll get used to .85 soon Edited October 30, 2017 by otto.f Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
250swb Posted October 30, 2017 Share #4 Posted October 30, 2017 One of the big advantages of the rangefinder is to be able to see outside the edges of the frame, so you perhaps see an interesting person about to walk into frame etc. Seeing beyond the frame is one of the keys that made Winogrand and many similar observational photographers 'at one' with the Leica M. So I think you have to ask if this is the sort of thing that interests you will the .85 do it for you, will it give you enough space? I would say not, and a .72 is far better and just as easy to focus, and opens up the possibilities for wider lenses in the future. You need the frame to compose, that's all, you shouldn't be looking at minute detail with a Leica, you won't be zooming in and out except with your feet, and composition is as much about what you leave out as what you put in, so make the most of the view. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lukas F. Posted October 30, 2017 Share #5 Posted October 30, 2017 Do you use glasses? This might help you somewhat: The picture suggests that one sees a bit of the surroundings with the 28mm frame lines with the .72 view finder. In my experience that's not the case (not even without glasses); at least not without panning. So keep that in mind when looking at that picture. I've never looked through a .85 view finder, but from the looks of it I think I'd appreciate that the 50mm and the 75mm frame lines are further apart than in the .72 view finder. The increased accuracy of the rangefinder might be handy too. From what I understand .72 is good enough for all lenses though (including the Noctilux). Also I'd assume that he .85 view finder would make it easier to shoot with both eyes open (while using the right one for looking through the view finder); since it's closer to the 1:1 magnification. However that's not relevant if you look through the viewfinder with your left eye and/or don't shoot with both eyes open. Am I right to assume that you are considering a M6TTL? If so make sure that the meter's LEDs work properly; from what I remember Leica can't fix them anymore. Maybe you have to chance to test the two view finders (or at least the .85) somewhere? If so I strongly recommend you to do that. 1 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted October 30, 2017 Share #6 Posted October 30, 2017 Hello, I am wondering if getting a 0.85 would be detrimental to my shooting experience if I plan to shoot primarily 35mm and 50mm. The reason why I am asking is because I found a great deal on a 0.85 but not a 0.72 35mm on M6.85? Forget it and if you're wearing glasses forget it twice. The M6.85 is the better M3 because of its TTL-meter. I like it for lenses from 50mm and above. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
DickieT Posted October 30, 2017 Share #7 Posted October 30, 2017 Advertisement (gone after registration) I would not get too hung up on it. I use a .85 M6 with 35mm all the time and I love the big viewfinder. But I also use the 35mm on my .72 MP and like the fact that I see objects move into the frame. 28mm is too tight with the .85 so I use a separate viewfinder. With the .72 it works fine per the pics from Lukas above. The M6 is a lovely camera - if you can get a good deal, go for it, irregardless of the viewfinder magnification. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest )-( Posted October 31, 2017 Share #8 Posted October 31, 2017 Resale will be considerably more difficult with 0.85 finder if that’s a factor, it’ll be why you found a ‘great deal’. I prefer 0.85 for 35/50mm fwiw, i never wore glasses. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
a.noctilux Posted November 3, 2017 Share #9 Posted November 3, 2017 Do you use glasses? This might help you somewhat: The picture suggests that one sees a bit of the surroundings with the 28mm frame lines with the .72 view finder. In my experience that's not the case (not even without glasses); at least not without panning. So keep that in mind when looking at that picture.... Maybe you have to chance to test the two view finders (or at least the .85) somewhere? If so I strongly recommend you to do that. Lukas, nice comparison 0.58/0.72/0.85 viewfinder. But the frames lines in these examples bother me a bit. What Leica M this is supposed to apply ? - bottom lines are complete here, I had never seen that in real M except M-A which is available only in 0.72 - if by chance, for M-A at 0.72 VF, 75mm and 135 "framelines" are just faint "4 corners" 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
stephengv Posted November 4, 2017 Share #10 Posted November 4, 2017 Can you practically use a 28mm on a 0.85? Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
otto.f Posted November 4, 2017 Share #11 Posted November 4, 2017 (edited) Can you practically use a 28mm on a 0.85? Do you wear glasses? As (un)practical as a 24mm on a .72 Edited November 4, 2017 by otto.f Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
stephengv Posted November 4, 2017 Share #12 Posted November 4, 2017 I don't wear glasses when shooting haha Do you wear glasses? As (un)practical as a 24mm on a .72 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
harmen Posted November 4, 2017 Share #13 Posted November 4, 2017 Can you shoot 28 with .85? Yes, you can. Is it enjoyable to shoot 28 with .85? My wife thinks not. She has a .85 and prefers 35mm, so she can see what she is framing. She misses seeing around the frame with 28mm. She usually uses contacts. With my glasses, I thoroughly enjoy 0.58 on my M6 more than the narrow view of my M(240). You may want to try... 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
stephengv Posted November 4, 2017 Share #14 Posted November 4, 2017 Can you shoot 28 with .85? Yes, you can. Is it enjoyable to shoot 28 with .85? My wife thinks not. She has a .85 and prefers 35mm, so she can see what she is framing. She misses seeing around the frame with 28mm. She usually uses contacts. With my glasses, I thoroughly enjoy 0.58 on my M6 more than the narrow view of my M(240). You may want to try... When using 28mm on .85, is the whole viewfinder the effective focal length of 28mm? 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
harmen Posted November 4, 2017 Share #15 Posted November 4, 2017 When using 28mm on .85, is the whole viewfinder the effective focal length of 28mm? Yes Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
otto.f Posted November 4, 2017 Share #16 Posted November 4, 2017 Yes Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lukas F. Posted November 4, 2017 Share #17 Posted November 4, 2017 (edited) Lukas, nice comparison 0.58/0.72/0.85 viewfinder. But the frames lines in these examples bother me a bit. What Leica M this is supposed to apply ? - bottom lines are complete here, I had never seen that in real M except M-A which is available only in 0.72 - if by chance, for M-A at 0.72 VF, 75mm and 135 "framelines" are just faint "4 corners" That's indeed a good question! The honest answer is unfortunately that I've no idea. When I read the thread's title I remembered that I saw pictures that illustrate the different viewfinder magnifications in the M7/MP (sic!) à la carte configurator a couple of years ago. Note that the website looked a bit different back then. Since the original pictures from the configurator weren't really suitable for posting here I looked for an alternative. I came up with the picture I posted above, which is taken from an overview article about the Leica M system on La vida Leica!. I think it's a collage made out of several pictures that were taken from a previous version of the M7/MP à la carte configurator. However, like you said, the framelines of the M7/MP (and M6 AFAIK) look in fact a bit different. I edited the picture I posted above to better reflect how they actually look: Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! (Yes, my edit of that picture is a botch job, but it should give people who don't know how the viewfinder looks a rough idea about what we mean by "broken lines".) I didn't know what you meant by the »faint "4 corners"«, but I assume you mean something like this: These are the 50mm/75mm framelines from an Leica M4P (thanks to ferider who posted that picture in the RF forum). I assume that the shape of the framelines in the M-A and the M4P are the same (apart from the 1m vs 0.7m minimum focus distance difference), since they both don't feature a meter. The 75mm framelines too look quite different from the ones found in the M6/M7/MP. Edited November 4, 2017 by Lukas F. 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! (Yes, my edit of that picture is a botch job, but it should give people who don't know how the viewfinder looks a rough idea about what we mean by "broken lines".) I didn't know what you meant by the »faint "4 corners"«, but I assume you mean something like this: These are the 50mm/75mm framelines from an Leica M4P (thanks to ferider who posted that picture in the RF forum). I assume that the shape of the framelines in the M-A and the M4P are the same (apart from the 1m vs 0.7m minimum focus distance difference), since they both don't feature a meter. The 75mm framelines too look quite different from the ones found in the M6/M7/MP. ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/278255-leica-m6-072-vs-085/?do=findComment&comment=3388792'>More sharing options...
a.noctilux Posted November 4, 2017 Share #18 Posted November 4, 2017 (edited) Thank you Lukas. Nice job of editing the framelines (bottom lines "broken" for meter LED ! ) that must be like that on M6/M7/MP with red LED if meter ON. Your last picture ( from Ferider) is ok for people that said M-A is released M4-P less the angle rewind with not articulated wind metal lever. I said that sometime ... But just check /compare M-A/M4-P viewfinder: - framelines are the same for all 3 couples - M-A is much brighter and more contrast to nail focus easier than M4-P that's not so bad for it's age - as you stated, M-A framelines show a bit smaller "frame" Edited November 4, 2017 by a.noctilux Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
stephengv Posted November 5, 2017 Share #19 Posted November 5, 2017 Yes Yes Thank you Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paulus Posted November 7, 2017 Share #20 Posted November 7, 2017 Hello, I am wondering if getting a 0.85 would be detrimental to my shooting experience if I plan to shoot primarily 35mm and 50mm. The reason why I am asking is because I found a great deal on a 0.85 but not a 0.72 just do it. I liked the 0,85 . especially for the 50mm Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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