M10 VF dust after just 2 weeks:

[HoyMikey]

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1 minute ago, indergaard said:

Just like every other camera out there. Yet the M10’s viewfinder fills up with dust in situations where other cameras don’t. I’ve had two M10’s cleaned three times and it still happens. My Sony and Fuji has been used in far dustier and harsher conditions and weather, and they don’t have a single speck of dust in their finders. They are also weather RESISTANT. 

Agree, leica should get these in check as we consumers don't shell out easy money... At least me 😂

[jdlaing]

What’s your point?

[jplomley]

No dust in either of my M10's, but I have a +0.5 diopter added for correction. Perhaps if that is the entry point for dust and because of the screw in diopter, it's why I don't see any?????

Edited May 25, 2019 by jplomley

[jdlaing]

1 hour ago, jplomley said:

No dust in either of my M10's, but I have a +0.5 diopter added for correction. Perhaps if that is the entry point for dust and because of the screw in diopter, it's why I don't see any?????

The entry point is through the lens mount. 

[indergaard]

8 hours ago, jdlaing said:

The entry point is through the lens mount. 

Wrong. The entry point is around the rear eyepiece due to poor sealing and fitting. 

[jdlaing]

Hogwash.

[indergaard]

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11 minutes ago, jdlaing said:

Hogwash.

Nope. The dust and debris always gathers between the rear eyepiece and the viewfinder window, and never travels into the viewfinder itself. It’s fairly easy to clean by just removing the rear eyepiece. It’s been the same on the M10, M240, M9, and even my two analog MP’s. And every other used Leica I have looked at that has actually been used normally. 

Maybe you should do better research before calling something nonsense. 

[jdlaing]

I’ve had just as many if not more Leica rangefinder bodies as you have and I call hogwash. The dust migrates thru the body. Not in through the eyepiece. 

I had it explained in person by one of the technicians.

[Infantasy]

The eyepiece is sealed and unremovable even the 3 tiny screw are removed.

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[HoyMikey]

1 hour ago, Infantasy said:

The eyepiece is sealed and unremovable even the 3 tiny screw are removed.

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did notice this as well, which confuses me how did those dust enter ? :-)

[indergaard]

13 hours ago, jdlaing said:

I’ve had just as many if not more Leica rangefinder bodies as you have and I call hogwash. The dust migrates thru the body. Not in through the eyepiece. 

I had it explained in person by one of the technicians.

So how do you explain a viewfinder filled with dust after 2000 clicks on the shutter, and zero dust on the sensor?

[indergaard]

5 hours ago, Infantasy said:

The eyepiece is sealed and unremovable even the 3 tiny screw are removed.

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There is also a strip of glue/adhesive underneath, in addition to the three screws. It can successfully be removed with a plastic pry tool after removing the screws.

Edited May 26, 2019 by indergaard

[indergaard]

Here is a previous thread about the issue. Many people have the same issue. It is definitely a design or manufacturing flaw. Don't listen to jdlaing's erroneous information about the dust entering the lens mount and traveling up to the "sealed" rear part of the viewfinder 😂

 

 

And here is another thread where it is discussed how to remove the rear eyepiece to clean it yourself. Look at the last post for a full description:

 

Edited May 26, 2019 by indergaard

[adan]

I don't know - "prying something loose" from a Leica, especially to fix a microminor cosmetic flaw (it won't affect the pictures, and it's not even visible with the eye in "shooting position" and focused on the world at a virtual 2 meters) - seems to be a poster-child example of "obsessive-compulsive disorder."

Nevertheless, useful information in the case an M10 needs to be cleaned up for selling to a fellow OCD (any effect of "prying" - at that point - becomes their problem ). Or if the dust multiplies over many years (and after the warranty expires) to the point it produces a significant haze for viewing

[jdlaing]

46 minutes ago, adan said:

I don't know - "prying something loose" from a Leica, especially to fix a microminor cosmetic flaw (it won't affect the pictures, and it's not even visible with the eye in "shooting position" and focused on the world at a virtual 2 meters) - seems to be a poster-child example of "obsessive-compulsive disorder."

Nevertheless, useful information in the case an M10 needs to be cleaned up for selling to a fellow OCD (any effect of "prying" - at that point - becomes their problem ). Or if the dust multiplies over many years (and after the warranty expires) to the point it produces a significant haze for viewing

Ditto.

[250swb]

On 10/15/2017 at 6:00 PM, chris_tribble said:

A good blower brush (https://visibledust.com/products/zee-pro-sensor-cleaning-bulb-blower-for-digital-camera/)

This is how dust gets from the front of the camera through to the back of the camera eyepiece.

[indergaard]

On 5/26/2019 at 9:20 PM, adan said:

I don't know - "prying something loose" from a Leica, especially to fix a microminor cosmetic flaw (it won't affect the pictures, and it's not even visible with the eye in "shooting position" and focused on the world at a virtual 2 meters) - seems to be a poster-child example of "obsessive-compulsive disorder."

Nevertheless, useful information in the case an M10 needs to be cleaned up for selling to a fellow OCD (any effect of "prying" - at that point - becomes their problem ). Or if the dust multiplies over many years (and after the warranty expires) to the point it produces a significant haze for viewing

It's just a camera. Then again, since I was a child, I have always DIY fixed all my things, everything from walkmans, amplifiers, TV's, bikes, cars, mopeds, motorcycles, cameras, scanners, computers, gaming consoles, tube amplifiers, electric guitars, and so on... And never had a problem. Maybe I just have some magic McGyver skills. Although, I don't think so. Most things can easily be DIY fixed. The problem is that most people think they can't do it, for some reason... And then they ship it off to someone that just does it in a very simple way. No magic or  extremely special or rare skill is required.

[Maxx71]

I too have some tiny dust specs in my VF. In looking at the many different pieces of parts of the top assembly next to the VF of the M10 I can see how dust can migrate onto the VF from the assembly line. ‘That said, I don’t know why my M240’s VF is immaculate.

 

 

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[ChateauMonty]

I have been offered an M10 with with dust in the VF (I already have a used but essentially brand new M10 which I bought on this this forum. This has never hand viewfinder dust issues).

The for sale M10 is a bit beaten up, unboxed etc but not badly priced. Is the dust doing to drive me mad, will it get worse over time and can I be bothered to send it to Leica if it is going to fill up with dust again.

My uneducated guess is that M10s with no VF dust just got a slightly tighter seal than others.....

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