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Hi all,

 

I'm very happy with the M10, but on a recent trip I managed to ruin many pictures with dusts on the sensor.  

 

I did have a Monochrom first gen with me but I was in a relatively colorful place so was rather disappointing.

 

Why I said 'interesting' backup body because first I was considering another M10 body but that would mean that most trips when nothing is wrong with the main camera, the backup wouldn't have any use, but if the two cameras are different then at least I can use the backup to refresh things a bit.

 

The choices

 

- M Edition 60 - I'm getting body only for good price. Bad that it has no strap lugs or has to use a case.

- MD-262 - Could be an interesting way to shoot when not using M10, just as the M60 above.

- M262 - The fact that it's lighter and updated sensor from M240.

- M9 - CCD could give different images from the M10

- MM - stick to what I already have!  Just have to accept colorless situation if problem happen.

 

Thanks all for the comments

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When I had M10 in February, I wanted to sell one or more Ms that I used so far (M240/262/MM/M9).

As the price offered was not satisfied for selling, I keep them.

 

Side note: the M10 using is much pleasing than those that I must admit that it wasn't logical to keep them.

 

Later on...

To go ahead, I imagine which one may be backup for M10: not really find among what I have :angry: .

 

:)

Long story short, I had opportunity for an M-D (typ 262) and that is.

 

- very long battery life to supply the shortist of M10's (even if one can carry some spares)

- the most M10's like feeling in hands (even better) : no screen makes wonderful handling

- no screen, no chimping and no disturbing in work flow : I appreciate the zen-attitude/analog-like experience

 

-Sometime, in future I think the M-D may be my only digital M (but getting rid of M10 may take more time)

this time M10 may be backup of M-D :lol: .

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Hi all,

 

I'm very happy with the M10, but on a recent trip I managed to ruin many pictures with dusts on the sensor.

On a dusty trip: take your camera into the bathroom of your hotel room (these are relatively dust-free, especially after running the shower) each evening and blow it out with a Rocket Blower with the camera mouth facing down. I can guarantee you minimal dust, even in the Kalahari ;).

 

 A dusty image is never ruined, only some more work. Just spot it out using the content-aware healing brush in Photoshop or its counterpart in Lightroom.

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TL2.

Why take another M body that offers no real alternative? If you really want M9 or MM images, then you can get pretty close with the M10 anyway, so they would stay unused.

The TL2 takes all M lenses, and is an excellent alternative for the occasions when you want to carry something much lighter. Takes the same visoflex. Smaller sensor, but still 24mp and excellent IQ. Get the 60mm TL for travel macro and portraits.

What not to like :)?

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TL2.

Why take another M body that offers no real alternative? If you really want M9 or MM images, then you can get pretty close with the M10 anyway, so they would stay unused.

The TL2 takes all M lenses, and is an excellent alternative for the occasions when you want to carry something much lighter. Takes the same visoflex. Smaller sensor, but still 24mp and excellent IQ. Get the 60mm TL for travel macro and portraits.

What not to like :)?

 

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TL2.

Why take another M body that offers no real alternative? If you really want M9 or MM images, then you can get pretty close with the M10 anyway, so they would stay unused.

The TL2 takes all M lenses, and is an excellent alternative for the occasions when you want to carry something much lighter. Takes the same visoflex. Smaller sensor, but still 24mp and excellent IQ. Get the 60mm TL for travel macro and portraits.

What not to like :)?

 

 

 

I really wish the TL2 have a built in EVF, the external one is really a pain to use.

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I really wish the TL2 have a built in EVF, the external one is really a pain to use.

It's a personal thing. I am happy with the functionality of the EVF and, although I don't like the way it sticks up, I don't really want the added bulk an internal EVF would bring to the body. I'm training myself to use the TL2 with AF/zone focus and the rear screen only. I use the EVF mainly for close-ups now.

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Hi all,

 

I'm very happy with the M10, but on a recent trip I managed to ruin many pictures with dusts on the sensor.  

 

I take on trips all the stuff for sensor cleaning with me. On every evening I inspect the sensor and when necessary i clean with this sticky stick (from Pentax) and/or with sensor swaps and cleaning fluid.

 

Some pictures are affected with spots, but that can be repaired with Lightroom. But it is a pain in the bottom, when 1000 pictures are affected.

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I suppose there are three ways to look at a backup body.  The first way is to think of it literally as insurance.  How do I make sure I can keep the same capabilities as my M10?  For that, I would say the ultimate backup body is a second M10.  With that approach you don't need to worry about learning or remembering different controls, a different menu structure, and different camera behavior/rendering as you learn the M10 better.  I'd say that's the obvious approach for a backup, but it is quite expensive.  

 

The second approach is still one of insurance--keeping the same capabilities--but at a lower cost.  For that I'd say the M262 you mentioned is the best way to go.  Still very similar to the M10 in terms of controls, and it keeps the same basic capabilities in terms of resolution, practical ISO range, EVF, etc..  That would be my second choice.

 

The third approach is to pick a camera that, perhaps, can still use the same lenses so you don't need to bring a whole second kit, but brings some different capabilities to the table.  Then you've not only got a backup, but maybe even an enhancement depending on what you run into.  I'd say the TL2 with its kit lens and an M adapter would fit the bill nicely.  That gives you a relatively compact option--no more mass than an M body by itself--and you would be adding autofocus into your kit and spending less money than even the M262.  The controls, obviously, are very different, so hopefully you wouldn't need it as an actual backup, but at least it brings something new to the table in exchange for giving up the rangefinder and the full frame sensor.  

 

I'd say any of the options you listed are viable aside from the monochrome.  While it's a wonderful camera, it is simply too different from the M10 to consider it a backup (unless you tend to use the M10 as a monochrome camera).  Obviously, the monochrome is the least expensive solution since you already own it, but I think it's too different to be thought of as a backup.  I'd just consider it a different camera for a different set of images.

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Some pictures are affected with spots, but that can be repaired with Lightroom. But it is a pain in the bottom, when 1000 pictures are affected.

Not really, mostly the spots are the same location; two or three actions in PS will take care of most of the dust.
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Not really, mostly the spots are the same location; two or three actions in PS will take care of most of the dust.

 

Or by using Spot Removal in Lightroom or CameraRaw on one photo and then synch it with other photos with the same orientation. 

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why not take an M2 with you?

 

this backup can be changed from b/w to color within every 36 frames almost everywhere on the world. it has absolutely no energy- or dustproblems and it adds a verry different way of photographic results to your possibilities. it can even be used after an EMP.

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Learn to change lenses so you do not encourage dust.  Use rear lens caps that are clean inside.  Blow out in inside of the camera before dust migrates to sensor.

 

Inspect photos and carry cleaning gear.  I recommend sensor scope and lens pen.  Just pick up the dust bits because you can see exactly where the are.

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Strongly recommend a second M.  Travelling, the backup makes sense - but when working, I shoot wide and long and don't have time to change bodies - so it's back to the classic photojournalist's trick of wearing at least two cameras (in my case with 21 or 28 on one and 50 or 75 on the other...)

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I would think that dust on a sensor is no reason for a back-up camera and especially not another M because you have the same risk there, that is if you find that a risk which is imho way overrated. You can treat the dust for all the affected captures in one click in LR as well as in C1

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One has to learn how to deal with dust on the sensor since it is fact of life. Other than tips on cleaning the sensor and fixing in PP (excellent advise above), one can pay attention to the aperture used. Narrow aperture make spots visible. Longer lens (same aperture) make spots more visible. Know your lens when spots show up. For example, my 28cron shows no spots at f4 (5.6 too) but my 50lux shows spots at 5.6 (but not at 2.8). I know there are other considerations for aperture but if you don't need more than 5.6 then why use narrow aperture. Key is to know your aperture usage.

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If you shoot at 35mm much, get a Sony Rx1rII.

You'll get better files, you'll get a camera with a superb lens for less than a used M body, and you won't get dust, because the lens doesn't come off.

Better yet, it's smaller than the M's - it's a perfect back up - and in some situations will render your M the back up. 

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@reddot925,

 

I would recommend learning to clean your own sensor.  If you follow the instructions exactly - both in the camera manual and for the cleaning liquid and sensor swabs - you will not have any problems.  If I can learn to do it, I would hazard a guess that anyone else here can also learn to do it. 

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