jerzy Posted September 30, 2017 Share #21 Posted September 30, 2017 Advertisement (gone after registration) not necessarily. Similarly you may find even Red Scale Elmars without SN (see separate thread discussing RS) as a result of conversion in fifties as well lens from JC could have received chrome finish, if conversion done after mid thirties...An evidence of conversion may be very often found on the inner, brass barrel holding optics, conversion number may be scratched there Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Advertisement Posted September 30, 2017 Posted September 30, 2017 Hi jerzy, Take a look here Black and Chrome Model II, with Specialities-Tiranty engraving. I'm sure you'll find what you were looking for!
willeica Posted September 30, 2017 Share #22 Posted September 30, 2017 not necessarily. Similarly you may find even Red Scale Elmars without SN (see separate thread discussing RS) as a result of conversion in fifties as well lens from JC could have received chrome finish, if conversion done after mid thirties...An evidence of conversion may be very often found on the inner, brass barrel holding optics, conversion number may be scratched there I have a couple of nickel Elmars with no SNs in 7 O'Clock mounts (one definitely from a 1 Model A which had been converted to a Standard) which seem to have been put on after 1932 (from 1933 onwards). In the case of JC's chrome Hektor, it is a 7 O'Clock mount so this was probably done from 1933 onwards. The immaculate chrome job may have been done at the same time. My collapsible chrome Summar with black rim has SN 194902 which fits with the information on black rim models from Jerzy above. William Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wlaidlaw Posted September 30, 2017 Share #23 Posted September 30, 2017 Therefore, might my original statement be correct? All wholly new lenses (not conversions, updates, assembled from earlier parts or standardisations) made from 1932 onwards, have serial numbers. Therefore, all new Hektors, manufactured as chrome lenses, will have serial numbers. The absence of a serial number on a chrome Hektor, would indicate a modified earlier lens. Wilson Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
willeica Posted September 30, 2017 Share #24 Posted September 30, 2017 Therefore, might my original statement be correct? All wholly new lenses (not conversions, updates, assembled from earlier parts or standardisations) made from 1932 onwards, have serial numbers. Therefore, all new Hektors, manufactured as chrome lenses, will have serial numbers. The absence of a serial number on a chrome Hektor, would indicate a modified earlier lens. Wilson Your Hektor seems to be from normal manufacture. The absence of an SN would indicate the use of a lens head from the era before SNs were used. The SN situation as regards original manufacture and conversion is generally correct in most cases. There may, however, be an occasional one which came out the 'back door' with no SN. There are also those ones where the same SN was used twice and an asterisk was added to indicate a duplicate. The great feature of Leica collapsible lens design in the Elmar, Hektor and Summar lenses is that the lens heads could be used in later mounts. You may, therefore, find that some lenses have an earlier SN than their mount would indicate eg some Red Scale lenses. All of this is part of the fun of collecting Leicas. William 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jc_braconi Posted September 30, 2017 Share #25 Posted September 30, 2017 JC, Are you sure there is not a serial number on your Hektor, hiding under the black paint on the front ring? The engraving is very shallow and could easily be obscured by paint. William, I don't think my infinity tab is the same as yours on the Nickel Hektor, which looks flatter. Mine is the same as JC's shown below yours. It may all be trying to assess a 3D object from looking at a 2D photograph. Wilson Wilson I am absolutely sure, checked with a 12x lens in every place, there is no depression on the front ring, it is flat and the paint is not thick, the lens looks new. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wlaidlaw Posted September 30, 2017 Share #26 Posted September 30, 2017 I have a black paint 11 o'clock Elmar that looks like new. Sadly it was made in Kiev Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
alan mcfall Posted October 2, 2017 Author Share #27 Posted October 2, 2017 Advertisement (gone after registration) ..f If anyone interested in more details from Bawendi article send me PM Tried to PM you, but it says you are not accepting. Can you contact me or open PM system? There are a few comments I would like to discuss about the rigid summars. Thanks Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jerzy Posted October 2, 2017 Share #28 Posted October 2, 2017 sorry Alan, just cleaned my mailbox, was 100% full. In case it will happen again pls contact me directly on jerzy.w@gmx.net Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Perkin Posted February 13 Share #29 Posted February 13 I have a IIIb so engraved. Tiranty died in 1973 Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! 3 Quote Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/277229-black-and-chrome-model-ii-with-specialities-tiranty-engraving/?do=findComment&comment=5037975'>More sharing options...
Perkin Posted February 15 Share #30 Posted February 15 https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Philippe_Tiranty 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Perkin Posted February 16 Share #31 Posted February 16 Dear Jed., Here is another: https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tiranty Here is mine, with the best Summar I have ever seen. Regards Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/277229-black-and-chrome-model-ii-with-specialities-tiranty-engraving/?do=findComment&comment=5041755'>More sharing options...
jed Posted February 16 Share #32 Posted February 16 Hello Perkin ! As a french collector I own 2 IIIb and 1 IIIa so engraved "ST". These are uncommon even here in France. Best, Jean Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! 3 Quote Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/277229-black-and-chrome-model-ii-with-specialities-tiranty-engraving/?do=findComment&comment=5042156'>More sharing options...
Perkin Posted February 19 Share #33 Posted February 19 Thank-you Jed. Interesting man. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
PG Black nickel Posted February 19 Share #34 Posted February 19 It seems to me that the cameras sold by Tiranty were first engraved with the words "Spécialités Tiranty", later with the initials "S-T" and then were no longer engraved from 1937/38. I have a Leica II (couplex) black/chrome with N° 3150xx which is very late, around 1939, and is not engraved S-T. But maybe someone has a camera that will say otherwise. Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/277229-black-and-chrome-model-ii-with-specialities-tiranty-engraving/?do=findComment&comment=5046391'>More sharing options...
jed Posted February 19 Share #35 Posted February 19 Hello, My IIIa has "ST" on the top plate plus "Specialites Tiranty" on base plate. But most have only "ST" on the top plate. Many IIIb sold by Tiranty have "ST" Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/277229-black-and-chrome-model-ii-with-specialities-tiranty-engraving/?do=findComment&comment=5046453'>More sharing options...
PG Black nickel Posted February 19 Share #36 Posted February 19 The serial number places this IIIb in 1939. One might therefore think that the pivotal year is 1939 for the end of these engravings. To the best of my knowledge, no IIIc has ever been engraved S-T (all I have to do is say that and someone will come up with an engraved IIIc!!), nor have any of the other post-war Leica models, including the "Monté en Sarre" which were made on the initiative of Philippe Tiranty. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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