tobey bilek Posted September 15, 2017 Share #1 Posted September 15, 2017 Advertisement (gone after registration) I like my 8 & 9 because of the USB port. M 10 can do it wirelessly to certain Mac devices. I don`t understand the terminology but I have an "Air" with 10.10.5 Yosemite years old, no tablets or phones. Can I install the special App to set up a network with a M 10 so I could move files wirelessly to the computer ? Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Tomek Posted September 15, 2017 Share #2 Posted September 15, 2017 No. This works only on iPhone or iPad. You need for that Leica M app from AppStore Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
tobey bilek Posted September 15, 2017 Author Share #3 Posted September 15, 2017 Thanks you. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
otto.f Posted September 15, 2017 Share #4 Posted September 15, 2017 (edited) After all, it turns out to have been a commercial trick. The wifi on the M10 is quite slow, cumbersome and a severe threat for battery life. So I very seldom use it. My idea was that I could show something to friends and family easily on whatsapp. It turns out that it's much better to do shoot it with my iPhone which I hate actually Edited September 15, 2017 by otto.f Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Agent M10 Posted September 15, 2017 Share #5 Posted September 15, 2017 After all, it turns out to have been a commercial trick. The wifi on the M10 is quite slow, cumbersome and a severe threat for battery life. So I very seldom use it. My idea was that I could show something to friends and family easily on whatsapp. It turns out that it's much better to do shoot it with my iPhone which I hate actually I find it pretty useful, and not painfully slow. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
willemr Posted September 15, 2017 Share #6 Posted September 15, 2017 Turns out that the wireless communication between the camera and the phone app is using the well documented Picture Transfer Protocol (PTP). Originally created for transfers over USB, but adapted for wireless transfers. The app just sends commands to the camera and receives the responses. Not really rocket science, but you need the correct skillset to reverse engineer the commands etc. to create a desktop app. I did some searching and there are several open-source desktops apps that are said to be generic, but these are all USB based. So there is a challenge if someone likes that sort of thing :-) Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rhyman Posted September 15, 2017 Share #7 Posted September 15, 2017 Advertisement (gone after registration) I find the wifi to be more useful than I expected. I really like it. Though it only connects to iphone. Especially useful if you wish to share photos over email, text, facebook, instagram, etc.. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
m2man Posted September 16, 2017 Share #8 Posted September 16, 2017 Turns out that the wireless communication between the camera and the phone app is using the well documented Picture Transfer Protocol (PTP). Originally created for transfers over USB, but adapted for wireless transfers. The app just sends commands to the camera and receives the responses. Not really rocket science, but you need the correct skillset to reverse engineer the commands etc. to create a desktop app. I did some searching and there are several open-source desktops apps that are said to be generic, but these are all USB based. So there is a challenge if someone likes that sort of thing :-) gphoto2 (good old fashioned command line) almost hooks up to it, but it only knows about "Leica M9" or "Leica SL" so it doesn't finish the hand shake, it appears. Not that you could do anything different than the iPhone app, but I suppose you could control your M10 from your mac instead of the iphone. But maybe video works from here...hah. It's cool that it's a known interface at least. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul J Posted September 17, 2017 Share #9 Posted September 17, 2017 (edited) No USB tethering!!!! ARGH!!!!! Damn you Leica!!!!! A perfectly good camera gone to waste for some things. I will never get over this!!!! Edited September 17, 2017 by Paul J 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
onasj Posted September 21, 2017 Share #10 Posted September 21, 2017 Honestly I find the wifi on the M10 to be quite good. I always set up its own network, connect my iOS device to that network, and then the transfer of full 24 MP DNG files is quite reasonable given their sizes. And the smaller resolution files transfer even faster. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
rallat Posted October 8, 2017 Share #11 Posted October 8, 2017 Android user here. Leica should build an Android app asap. This is a failure :/ 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdlaing Posted October 8, 2017 Share #12 Posted October 8, 2017 Turns out that the wireless communication between the camera and the phone app is using the well documented Picture Transfer Protocol (PTP). Originally created for transfers over USB, but adapted for wireless transfers. The app just sends commands to the camera and receives the responses. Not really rocket science, but you need the correct skillset to reverse engineer the commands etc. to create a desktop app. I did some searching and there are several open-source desktops apps that are said to be generic, but these are all USB based. So there is a challenge if someone likes that sort of thing :-) PTP is Precision Time Protocol. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pico Posted October 8, 2017 Share #13 Posted October 8, 2017 (edited) PTP is one of those unfortunate acronyms. For our purposes, for example with the M9 or other cameras with USB, it is Picture Transfer Protocol, ISO 15740. PTP/IP is a variant for WiFi, but Leica has no such support. Edited October 8, 2017 by pico Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Defender110 Posted March 5, 2018 Share #14 Posted March 5, 2018 Has anybody made any progress on figuring out the wireless transfer protocol? willemr says that the camera is doing PTP but pico says that it's not PTP/IP. Has anybody put tcpdump to it yet? Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jeff_m Posted March 7, 2018 Share #15 Posted March 7, 2018 I found it easy to setup and use. Very convenient for the occasional on the go transfer. Do a google search on Leica WLAN Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pico Posted March 7, 2018 Share #16 Posted March 7, 2018 (edited) Has anybody made any progress on figuring out the wireless transfer protocol? willemr says that the camera is doing PTP but pico says that it's not PTP/IP. Has anybody put tcpdump to it yet? Protocol for what camera? (The thread has become confusing.) We cannot use tcpdump on the M9 because the M9 has no TCP/IP capability. For the M10 see this link (to this site).. Edited March 7, 2018 by pico Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Defender110 Posted March 7, 2018 Share #17 Posted March 7, 2018 To clarify, I am interested in the protocol that is used when the iOS app is communicating with the M10. I'm a software developer interested in making my own implementation that doesn't need iOS but I need to learn more about the protocol first. I'm wondering if anybody has investigated this already. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leicaec421 Posted March 7, 2018 Share #18 Posted March 7, 2018 I find it pretty useful, and not painfully slow. +1 I find it very useful as well. Really handy when you are on the move. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
nitrox1 Posted March 7, 2018 Share #19 Posted March 7, 2018 I find the WiFi transfer lightening fast from my camera to iPhone or iPad. Maybe it seems so fast because I used to Bluetooth transfer files from a Fuji xpro2 before getting my m10. Now THAT was slow! Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
HELM Posted March 7, 2018 Share #20 Posted March 7, 2018 Is there ever anyone from Leica on this or other forum to respond to the lack of non-Apple support for the M10? I had no idea as I bought my first Leica that this camera was the Leica outlier in support for Android... any ideas how to contact a real Leica human to discuss this? Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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