evikne Posted September 11, 2017 Share #1 Posted September 11, 2017 Advertisement (gone after registration) I have recently switched from M9 to M10, and there are many things I love with my new camera that I do not miss from the previous. I do not miss the shutter sound of the M9 that sounded like a rusty slinky. The M10 sounds more like a nice hairdressing scissors – snip, snip :-) The M10 is slimmer and the grip is better. And I don't miss the noisy images from anything above ISO 800. But nevertheless, there is something inexplicable with the pictures from the M9 that I miss. They were in a way more analog, more real, the colors were warmer. Maybe I can call it the "texture". The pictures from my M10 are perhaps a little too perfect? Maybe they are too smooth and polished, just as from most other modern cameras? I'd love to find a way to make the pictures look more like what I got from the M9, so I had the best of both worlds, at least some times. But I haven't yet figured out exactly what it is. Is it the colors, the contrast, or something else? Should I add some noise? Is it possible whatsoever with the Lightroom tools to get something similar? Do others miss anything else? 3 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Ko.Fe. Posted September 11, 2017 Share #2 Posted September 11, 2017 Try Sony film pack sw, I'm using it if picture is too digital. http://www.dxo.com/us/photography/photo-software/dxo-filmpack Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
evikne Posted September 11, 2017 Author Share #3 Posted September 11, 2017 Thanks for the link. Maybe I'll try it out. But the weird thing is that the M9 is digital too. How is it possible that this camera can have a more analog look than others? Is it the sensor? Or is it all just imagination? 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tailwagger Posted September 11, 2017 Share #4 Posted September 11, 2017 Yes, different sensor technology, CCD vs CMOS. You'll figure it out how to massage it in which ever direction you care to after a while. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ko.Fe. Posted September 11, 2017 Share #5 Posted September 11, 2017 Personally, I think, it is combination of CCD sensor and Leica lens. I used to have tiny Lumix P&S with CCD sensor and Leica zoom. It was close to what you are talking about. Very special rendering. Lost this Lumix and replaced with another CCD P&S, but without Leica lens and it is not even close. Also non-Leica lenses on CCD M cameras seems to not give the effect you are talking about. At least for my eyes. 3 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SKD Posted September 12, 2017 Share #6 Posted September 12, 2017 we need to ask Leica to give us a way to get M9 touch and feel, M10 has it own character, but I agree M9 images are very appealing! 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shlomo Posted September 12, 2017 Share #7 Posted September 12, 2017 Advertisement (gone after registration) - why is everbody complaining about the M9 shutter Sound. I find it remarkably soft. I like it much more than the thin M10 sound. 4 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
evikne Posted September 12, 2017 Author Share #8 Posted September 12, 2017 I think the M10 shutter sound is a bit sharp, but much more elegant than the M9. But that's of course a matter of taste. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shlomo Posted September 12, 2017 Share #9 Posted September 12, 2017 I own a M9P in black, and a M10 but the true classic look and feel of a M9P will be out of reach for ever. The RAW Images from the CCD sensor are still Magic, the IQ is suprisingly high. 5 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted September 12, 2017 Share #10 Posted September 12, 2017 more than any other differences it's the CCD sensor versus the CMOS. There's a look the CCD gives that for me a CMOS cannot replicate, at least not right out of the camera anyway. I own and use in my work a few digital cinema cameras, most have CMOS sensors, one has a CCD sensor and here too there's a difference in imaging that I can see and prefer. For me a CCD sensor is more "filmic" and having decades of experience in using film in both stills and cinema work I can appreciate the difference, for others with perhaps less film "history" I would imagine that they are quite happy enough with the CMOS sensors, and why not. But now it's really a case of no choice because now there's no manufacturer as far as I know using CCD's in either motion picture or still cameras, why that is I'm not sure but it has to be a combination of technical and cost reasons plus the advantage that CMOS sensors have in regards to sensitivity range. Perhaps that's one reason why the M9, and even the M8, cameras are still holding their used prices quite well, their image quality is still sought after despite the problems that the sensors had in regards to the corrosion issue. As I said in the previous post my MM1 is a keeper and who knows I may even be tempted to try to find a M9 at some time. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
stephen.w Posted September 12, 2017 Share #11 Posted September 12, 2017 - why is everbody complaining about the M9 shutter Sound. I find it remarkably soft. I like it much more than the thin M10 sound. Nothing wrong with the shutter sound, its the wheezy re-cocking sound which is so awful. But I do agree that there is something special in the M9 files at base ISO, reminiscent of slide film. I also appreciate that the start-up and wake-up times are quicker than for the M10. For these and other reasons I decided (at least for time being) to keep my M9 to use alongside the M10. 4 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shlomo Posted September 12, 2017 Share #12 Posted September 12, 2017 Nothing wrong with the shutter sound, its the wheezy re-cocking sound which is so awful. But I do agree that there is something special in the M9 files at base ISO, reminiscent of slide film. I also appreciate that the start-up and wake-up times are quicker than for the M10. For these and other reasons I decided (at least for time being) to keep my M9 to use alongside the M10. True. So do I. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tomek Posted September 12, 2017 Share #13 Posted September 12, 2017 Yes, different sensor technology, CCD vs CMOS. You'll figure it out how to massage it in which ever direction you care to after a while.Maybe I am asking too much but i am very much interested to see the photo of the same object made with the same exposure parameters by m9 and m10. Such comparison will give possibility to understand the reason of this discussion for those who own only m10 as I do. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
01af Posted September 12, 2017 Share #14 Posted September 12, 2017 ... nevertheless, there is something inexplicable with the pictures from the Leica M9 that I miss. They were in a way more analog, more real, the colors were warmer. Maybe I can call it the "texture". [...] This topic has been discussed to death before ... I'd love to find a way to make the pictures look more like what I got from the M9 ... Simple. Just add a very small amount of noise (or film grain) to the CMOS image. 3 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted September 12, 2017 Share #15 Posted September 12, 2017 Maybe I am asking too much but i am very much interested to see the photo of the same object made with the same exposure parameters by m9 and m10. Such comparison will give possibility to understand the reason of this discussion for those who own only m10 as I do. Somehow I get the feeling that the reason for this discussion is nostalgia 5 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJ_2003 Posted September 12, 2017 Share #16 Posted September 12, 2017 How about taking a picture with your M10, printing it A3 and then taking a picture of that with an M7 and then scanning the neg? Honestly I don't understand the whole CMOS v CCD (I used to have an M9) thing. I am no expert but isn't the only difference the way in which the data is read from the sensor? Or is there more going on? I liked my M9 images very much but I like my M10 images just as much. 4 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
evikne Posted September 12, 2017 Author Share #17 Posted September 12, 2017 Simple. Just add a very small amount of noise (or film grain) to the CMOS image. I have been thinking the same way and will try this out a little more. Thanks for the tip! Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
evikne Posted September 12, 2017 Author Share #18 Posted September 12, 2017 Somehow I get the feeling that the reason for this discussion is nostalgia I have never used film cameras before, so I am not sure if I can call it nostalgia. But it was reassuring to hear that I am not alone with this feeling. So I assume that I am not mad. 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
UliWer Posted September 12, 2017 Share #19 Posted September 12, 2017 (edited) Maybe I am asking too much but i am very much interested to see the photo of the same object made with the same exposure parameters by m9 and m10. Such comparison will give possibility to understand the reason of this discussion for those who own only m10 as I do. I fear the comparison will start and end with a lot of detracting technical details. There is the difference between 18 and 24 MP. ISO settings for both cameras are not identical etc. Each detail may lead someone to say: If you had done it someway different, you'd see it. Edited September 12, 2017 by UliWer 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronazle Posted September 12, 2017 Share #20 Posted September 12, 2017 (edited) Somehow I get the feeling that the reason for this discussion is nostalgia In regard to the shutter sound: I'd be happy if M-9 made the fairly silent swish of my M-3. I don't think this is nostalgia; hmmm.... on second thought I will readily concede it is part nostalgia. I do not have an M-10 yet. Regards, Ron Edited September 12, 2017 by Ronazle 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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