Arai Posted August 20, 2017 Share #61 Posted August 20, 2017 Advertisement (gone after registration) why is the budget too high? I will not buy more lenses getting two or three - and yes, I saw the billiard table full of cameras in other post - I am far away from this, never intend to invest more then I should, just want the one, the best one - with nice set of lenses - if I get Summilux, I will not get summicron or elmarit. If I get both small 35 and 28, the option for Summilux 28 is gone. I could use the money for a nice car maybe, but I prefer my Volvo :-) I too was in your position and idea, but you will never had enough of Leica ..it will suck your money and leave you high and dry but happy lol Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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adli Posted August 20, 2017 Share #62 Posted August 20, 2017 Well, in London there's an increasing number of acid attacks - with life changing injuries as a result - the perpetrators are after mobile phones, watches, you name it, anything valuable with a 'retail' value. You have to admit the Leica M is a lovely looking camera with that nice bright red dot set against black paintwork (I'm sure the silver looks nice too), it's easy to imagine how you could fall victim. And it's not the loss of the camera that's the main concern, it's those life changing injuries, possible blindness, that no insurance can cover. Three acid attacks are reported every week in London; in 2016 there were 454 and more than 100 in the first four months of 2017 (obviously we're only part way through the year, but the total number could easily exceed last year). Changing the dot from red to black will make no difference, there people are not picky on brands. A camera is a camera. If you catch their attention it is probably more because the way you dress and act. 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
robert blu Posted August 20, 2017 Share #63 Posted August 20, 2017 My impression is that people not really interested in photography do not know anything about Leica. And probably seeing a smaller camera compared to the usual canikons around they will think it's a "minor league" camera. robert PS: which by the way is one of the reason for which I like my Leica 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
leetmode Posted August 20, 2017 Share #64 Posted August 20, 2017 Honestly I put gaffers tape over the Leica logo and if anyone asks me what camera I'm using I just say an old film one, except if it's another Leica owner of course. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted August 20, 2017 Share #65 Posted August 20, 2017 I am truly amazed at the high Leica profile some users manage to generate. Last weekend we had an event over here, and despite passing literally tens of thousands of people on the street, only one guy gave the two cameras around my neck a second glance and nobody remarked on them, despite one being a chrome-and-green M240 and the other a black-and-grey Monochrom, nothing inconspicuous. Are the Dutch really so unobservant compared to the rest of the world? 4 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter H Posted August 20, 2017 Share #66 Posted August 20, 2017 Are people more worried about theft/vandalism or accidental damage? I'm more worried about getting mugged for a nice-looking camera. I'm certainly not worried about theft or vandalism. There are risks but the incidence is too low to panic about it. Normal care is fine. But since I wrote-off my M10 three months ago by tripping and smashing it to the ground, I am far more aware of the risks of accidental damage. But I can't do much about it though, and the point of having a camera is to use it, so I just try to be as careful as I can without letting it interfere with my enjoyment. To my mind, as soon as being careful gets in the way of enjoying my camera, I may as well not have it. It's no use to me in a safe place back at home. 3 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
willemr Posted August 20, 2017 Share #67 Posted August 20, 2017 Advertisement (gone after registration) I ran into a couple in Brugge last year, They both had Leica's (one film and a type 2xx digital). We noticed each other with the camera's. A polite nod was exchanged and we all went our way. That was the only attention I got in a busy tourist setting. The Asians with Canon/Nikon cannons got more attention. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Denys Posted August 20, 2017 Share #68 Posted August 20, 2017 (edited) I feel your pain - but I think we need to thank Leica for offering a solution. I was worried about scratching my band new $7,000 M10 with lens. Luckily, I chose the Lenny Kravitz special edition and my fear vanished (along with $24,500). Apparently he founded Magnum Photos Inc, or plays the banjo.. Edited August 20, 2017 by Denys 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TX400 Posted August 21, 2017 Share #69 Posted August 21, 2017 lol @Denys Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
otto.f Posted August 21, 2017 Share #70 Posted August 21, 2017 I am truly amazed at the high Leica profile some users manage to generate. Last weekend we had an event over here, and despite passing literally tens of thousands of people on the street, only one guy gave the two cameras around my neck a second glance and nobody remarked on them, despite one being a chrome-and-green M240 and the other a black-and-grey Monochrom, nothing inconspicuous. Are the Dutch really so unobservant compared to the rest of the world? Totally agree. In my experience travelling around in various countries, most people who like your digital M are asking or saying something in the sphere of 'how nice (you're still using) such an old camera'. In 1 out of 10 situations it's a fellow Leica-owner who's interested in your lens or newest body, or starts talking about the good old days of Fuji Velvia. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Martin B Posted August 21, 2017 Share #71 Posted August 21, 2017 Shooting in parallel with M3 (with 50/2) and M6 (with 35/2) this past weekend, Leica button and name taped over with black gaffer tape on my M6. M3 used without external MR meter which makes it look like a Fuji mirrorless camera with the shiny metal top. Nobody noticed or even looked at my cameras while I was shooting - until I ran accidentally into a wedding photographer there who was shooting with DSLR gear. He noticed me in his proximity behind, turned around, and the first he said was "wow, you are shooting Leica!". I was surprised that he instantly caught it. We chatted for a bit, turns out he never shot Leica but was familiar how the cameras looked. This was the first time this happened to me after I gaffer-taped the M6. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ramarren Posted August 21, 2017 Share #72 Posted August 21, 2017 When I am out shooting with my cameras, it is exceedingly rare that anyone notices, or comments on noticing, that they are Leica cameras. The very very few people who do are all "photographers" more obsessed with equipment than with photographs. I respect that these are very costly cameras. On the other hand, in the end they're just cameras ... tools for the endeavor of making photographs. If you can't get over the fact that they cost a lot of money, get rid of them and buy something that doesn't consume your mind so much. I treat my Leicas the same way I treat any other camera: as expensive, precision machines that should be handled with some respect for their fragility and cost, but as cameras nonetheless. I use them the same way I use any camera. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Martin B Posted August 21, 2017 Share #73 Posted August 21, 2017 When I am out shooting with my cameras, it is exceedingly rare that anyone notices, or comments on noticing, that they are Leica cameras. The very very few people who do are all "photographers" more obsessed with equipment than with photographs. From my shooting experience outdoors, I experienced quite the opposite. When I was outside shooting with my DSLR and medium-sized white tele lenses, it was always an unwanted attention grabber. The usual questions came like "Oh, what camera/lens is this" etc. Neither camera nor lens were something extraordinary, but just the size and color caught attention. This happens much less with my Leica or my Sony mirrorless cameras which I predominantly use with smaller prime lenses. But if it happens (like in my post #72 above), people always seem to recognize the brand (Leica) but rarely figure out that it is still film. The film lever would be the most obvious to see, but this difference to digital is hardly recognized. But the form factor of the camera obviously is and certainly the logo if not masked. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sdw Posted August 21, 2017 Share #74 Posted August 21, 2017 If you are truly afraid to use it, get insurance or sell it. It's not worth using a camera you stress out about. And yeah, if you have a $10K+ outfit for shooting photos, get some insurance. Doesn't hurt. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TX400 Posted August 22, 2017 Share #75 Posted August 22, 2017 From my shooting experience outdoors, I experienced quite the opposite. When I was outside shooting with my DSLR and medium-sized white tele lenses, it was always an unwanted attention grabber. The usual questions came like "Oh, what camera/lens is this" etc. Neither camera nor lens were something extraordinary, but just the size and color caught attention. This happens much less with my Leica or my Sony mirrorless cameras which I predominantly use with smaller prime lenses. But if it happens (like in my post #72 above), people always seem to recognize the brand (Leica) but rarely figure out that it is still film. The film lever would be the most obvious to see, but this difference to digital is hardly recognized. But the form factor of the camera obviously is and certainly the logo if not masked. This is my experience also. I see someone else with a Leica nearly every day I'm shooting and a few times a week otherwise. I just saw a guy roll off the train with a silver M and a voigtlander-looking hood less than an hour ago. There's a big difference between being un-noticed and un-acknowledged 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jennifer Posted August 25, 2017 Share #76 Posted August 25, 2017 It's the same for me with anything expensive I've acquired (new or used) - car, camera or new baby. I just have to wait until I've put the first mark on them, then I can relax. (Anyone who thinks new babies don't come into the 'expensive' category needs to spend two decades with them). I'd agree, new babies are very expensive. However, IME, it doesn't end there, they have this unfortunate tendency to grow into even more expensive children, adolescents and then, more often than not, far from costless young adults too. And the rub is, unlike your Leica, you can't mitigate your losses by selling them ........ well not legally. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fridtjof Posted August 27, 2017 Share #77 Posted August 27, 2017 Yes, I'm in the same boat- new M10 without (yet) the first scratch. It's a bit like handmade bicycle frames (I've had 2)- the first scratch or stone chip is a painful experience, but liberating. After the first mark you relax, and you also join the ranks of the "real" users. Same with encounters with cars- bike riders who have ended up in hospital have more cred. Sad,eh? Think also of keen woodworkers. They can be so committed that they make their own tools as they are better than the ones available in shops. But, (here's the lesson for us as photographers), they USE their hand-made tools. I'm not saying you should be careless (half cases are a good idea IMHO), but if the thing stays at home you may as well call yourself a collector, not a photographer. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bozu_shutterbugger Posted August 27, 2017 Share #78 Posted August 27, 2017 If you keep using it that fear will go away. Regardless of the price generally people are a bit careful when things are new. Think of it as a car that doesn't depreciate so quickly. Except you can keep it in your bag. .. when I first parked my new car over night on the street I had the same feeling. Just forget what you paid and enjoy it coz you have the luxury of owning one. It's a shame if it's babied at home all the time Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bozu_shutterbugger Posted August 27, 2017 Share #79 Posted August 27, 2017 If you keep using it that fear will go away. Regardless of the price generally people are a bit careful when things are new. Think of it as a car that doesn't depreciate so quickly. Except you can keep it in your bag. .. when I first parked my new car over night on the street I had the same feeling. Just forget what you paid and enjoy it coz you have the luxury of owning one. It's a shame if it's babied at home all the time Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk . Hopefully this helps! Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
colint544 Posted August 28, 2017 Share #80 Posted August 28, 2017 (edited) I always think that the more you use a digital M, the better. Unlike with a film camera, you're paying all or most of your film/developing costs up front. When I unboxed my brand new M Monochrom in August 2012, I knew that I was going to use it. The first picture I took effectively cost me £6000 - the price of the camera. The second picture brought the per picture cost down to £3000. The camera now has over 70,000 actuations on the shutter, so the per picture cost is now down to around eight pence. It'll only drop further. Obviously most of those shots were not keepers, but imagine how much it would cost to shoot 70,000 pictures on film. In the almost five years I've had my M Monochrom, the camera has developed silvering along its edges, and wear on the top and bottom plates. There is not a shred of white paint left in the engravings under the buttons on the back. As time passes, the camera owes me less and less. I actually like the wear on it. I like the camera more now than I did when it was new. Leica serviced it, adjusted the rangefinder, and replaced the sensor (for the non-corroding version) last year, and never charged me a penny, not even for the postage. They sent it back with a note saying "strong traces of using" in one of the boxes on the form, which sounded wonderfully Germanic to me. My M Monochrom has become a faithful friend - I couldn't be parted from it. An M, any M camera is designed and built to be used, so if we're fortunate enough to own one, I say just go out, shoot it, and don't worry. Edited August 28, 2017 by colint544 6 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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