miro Posted September 27, 2017 Author Share #181 Posted September 27, 2017 Advertisement (gone after registration) How likely is it that Leica will nail this new release and give their customers what they want? I'm not usually a cynical person, but for a lot of Leicas releases there does seem to be more unhappy people than happy If that were true , Leica would not now be valued at 1 Billion $'s ! As for the upcoming CL or QL or VL , or whatever it's called , Leica will stick it ! Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Advertisement Posted September 27, 2017 Posted September 27, 2017 Hi miro, Take a look here Code Name "Clooney". I'm sure you'll find what you were looking for!
Einst_Stein Posted September 27, 2017 Share #182 Posted September 27, 2017 Among all the evil things of Leica, the most evil one is its price. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
dkCambridgeshire Posted September 27, 2017 Share #183 Posted September 27, 2017 (edited) the interesting point is that in my feeling the most unhappy Leica user dont even own the product they report negative feedback. Just because there is a crowd of notoric nay sayers doesnt mean that this has to be a representative opinion of the total crowd. If Leica products are as flawed as some people believe and if there were as few customers, it would be a wonder that Leica still exists. Yes, there is room for improvement in some areas, but also most products have some special feautures (optical quality, build quality, simple intuitive user interface,...) which should not be neglected. So I am not that negative about the next release, whenevr it comes Very true … but they are usually unhappy Leica non-users … who have not used a modern digital Leica … and whose raison d'être is to criticise new Leica products … again and again … it's their life's mission! dunk Edited September 27, 2017 by dkCambridgeshire 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
anickpick Posted September 27, 2017 Share #184 Posted September 27, 2017 ... The Leica Clooney will be available in a unique Unobtainium Salt and Pepper finish Someone please tell him that the Q does have af! 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pop Posted September 27, 2017 Share #185 Posted September 27, 2017 Someone please tell him that the Q does have af! It does have MF, though. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ropo54 Posted September 27, 2017 Share #186 Posted September 27, 2017 Someone please tell him that the Q does have af! Yes, it does. Fast AF and a great evf! Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
northernlights Posted October 2, 2017 Share #187 Posted October 2, 2017 Advertisement (gone after registration) Could be be the new camera with Zenitar? Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
dkCambridgeshire Posted October 2, 2017 Share #188 Posted October 2, 2017 All this crystal ball gazing and speculation … inevitable forum hysteria and maybe some members experiencing anxiety and sleepless nights Don't panic Mr Mainwaring … don't panic dunk Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mmanda Posted October 2, 2017 Share #189 Posted October 2, 2017 Those who harp on what's wrong (rather than what's right) just tend to be more vocal. Rob Thats true Rob... some will find fault in everything and mostly not take the time to research why things the way they are! the interesting point is that in my feeling the most unhappy Leica user dont even own the product they report negative feedback. Just because there is a crowd of notoric nay sayers doesnt mean that this has to be a representative opinion of the total crowd. If Leica products are as flawed as some people believe and if there were as few customers, it would be a wonder that Leica still exists. Yes, there is room for improvement in some areas, but also most products have some special feautures (optical quality, build quality, simple intuitive user interface,...) which should not be neglected. So I am not that negative about the next release, whenevr it comes I would imagine the vast majority of happy Leica users do not frequent forums on the internet and just take photos, enjoying their equipment. If you venture into other forums not this one, there's a lot of extreme negativity Very true … but they are usually unhappy Leica non-users … who have not used a modern digital Leica … and whose raison d'être is to criticise new Leica products … again and again … it's their life's mission! dunk Reminds me of the Rolex brand. When people initially get into watches, they dismiss Rolex as being the watch everyone wears, lacks exclusivity and they fight against wanting to collect or own watches from the brand. But to truly appreciate watches one needs understand Rolex and the significant part the brand has made in the history of the wrist watch. They usually realise this later on when they see more vintage pieces, the cost and desirability. Even the company itself is quite interesting. And hell, they are just damned fine and good watches! Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Einst_Stein Posted October 2, 2017 Share #190 Posted October 2, 2017 The No. 1 critic on Leica is the price. It is a reflection how it is desired. Many other critics are the morphing of this psychological problem as a cover up. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest VVJ Posted October 3, 2017 Share #191 Posted October 3, 2017 The No. 1 critic on Leica is the price. It is a reflection how it is desired. Many other critics are the morphing of this psychological problem as a cover up. +1. I would agree to that. People will bring up mediocre sensors and a dozen other reasons as to why they do no like Leica but deep down for most people there is one reason and that is the price... 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
colonel Posted October 4, 2017 Share #192 Posted October 4, 2017 Note that "Clooney" starts with CL... thank goodness its nothing to do with that guy who advertises Nespresso machine then .... 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lx1713 Posted October 4, 2017 Share #193 Posted October 4, 2017 +1. I would agree to that. People will bring up mediocre sensors and a dozen other reasons as to why they do no like Leica but deep down for most people there is one reason and that is the price... I tend to have one solution to that problem. If I've done my research well and waited for issues to crop up and go away: save my pennies, get what I need and tell myself "It's a better camera than you deserve, you need 3 years to master it, 3 years to enjoy it more and then figure out what's next." I think ownership over 6 - 9 years is a good way of dividing the cost of ownership such that it becomes reasonable. 3 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Einst_Stein Posted October 5, 2017 Share #194 Posted October 5, 2017 It took me 3 seconds to enjoy it, 3 mins to love it, but still not master it after a few months. There are still new surprises how capable it is. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted October 5, 2017 Share #195 Posted October 5, 2017 thank goodness its nothing to do with that guy who advertises Nespresso machine then .... Does a Nespresso machine deserve better then? 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lx1713 Posted October 6, 2017 Share #196 Posted October 6, 2017 Does a Nespresso machine deserve better then? Maybe it's a one sided relationship. One's hot, the other .... Cool? 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Archiver Posted October 7, 2017 Share #197 Posted October 7, 2017 (edited) Reminds me of the Rolex brand. When people initially get into watches, they dismiss Rolex as being the watch everyone wears, lacks exclusivity and they fight against wanting to collect or own watches from the brand. But to truly appreciate watches one needs understand Rolex and the significant part the brand has made in the history of the wrist watch. They usually realise this later on when they see more vintage pieces, the cost and desirability. Even the company itself is quite interesting. And hell, they are just damned fine and good watches! @mmanda - I have to admit that I was in this boat some years ago. To me, Rolex was the watch of the nouveau riche poseur, the watch that people bought when they came into money and wanted to flaunt it. But the designs are classic and unmistakably attractive, and as I learned more and more about their history, quality, and long term user reports, my opinion changed completely. I once met a 60-something year old man who was wearing a vintage red Sea-Dweller. He'd bought it new and it had accompanied him for decades of scuba diving and travel, and he didn't really know just how valuable they are today. There is something very romantic about a high quality watch that outlasts jobs, international travel, even wars and marriages. Due to their design and durability, Rolex watches tend to go the distance, rather like a Leica M. Edited October 7, 2017 by Archiver 3 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Einst_Stein Posted October 7, 2017 Share #198 Posted October 7, 2017 This reminds me my wife's handbags. Her favorite bag has been way over 10 years. I would not mention the brand name, but it did cost an unnecessary fortune in my old opinion. It is so durable and seems never outdated. Well, yes, it has been sent back to the original store to restore to the original condition and paid only the shipping and handling fee. She has some friends with different style , whom like to replace the hand bag every year to catch up the newest style, usually much cheaper brands. Needless to say the total amount of spending is much higher. The overall satisfaction? My observation is it is much like Rolex or Leica vs. something else. 3 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Belle123 Posted October 7, 2017 Share #199 Posted October 7, 2017 People are funny about costs vs quality. And a Rolex is non digital, so no battery costs either. Mine is still like new after 10 years. But heaven help you if take it off and it falls off on a tile floor, smashing the crystal face! That little mistake cost me a bundle to repair! I nearly had kittens when got the repair bill. However, I don't plan on replacing ever. But if it gets dropped again, I don't deserve it! For me, Leica gear is in the same ball park. You buy it for the quality and possible to last a life time. I could be absolutely satisfied with what I have now, and not upgrade to the latest. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
dkCambridgeshire Posted October 8, 2017 Share #200 Posted October 8, 2017 People are funny about costs vs quality. And a Rolex is non digital, so no battery costs ??? either. Mine is still like new after 10 years. But heaven help you if take it off and it falls off on a tile floor, smashing the crystal face! That little mistake cost me a bundle to repair! I nearly had kittens when got the repair bill. However, I don't plan on replacing ever. But if it gets dropped again, I don't deserve it! For me, Leica gear is in the same ball park. You buy it for the quality and possible to last a life time. I could be absolutely satisfied with what I have now, and not upgrade to the latest. Just about to take my Rolex Datejust Oysterquartz to Rolex St James Piccadilly for a service which includes a new battery. The Oysterquartz watches were manufactured by Rolex for 25 years and have a strong following amongst Rolex enthusiasts and collectors. dunk Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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