M11 for me Posted August 3, 2017 Share #1 Posted August 3, 2017 (edited) Advertisement (gone after registration) Per Zufall lande ich auf der Leica "à la carte" Seite. Da fällt auf, dass die Gehäuse gar nicht mit echt Leder eingefasst sind, sondern lediglich mit besonders robustem . . . Blablabla.Und es kommt noch dicker: Man kann Straussen-Look wählen: Das ist dann Rindsleder mit Straussenprägung. Degenerierter geht es wohl nicht mehr. Alles nur noch auf Image und Wirkung aus. Was sagen die echten Fotografen dazu? Ich habe ja nichts gegen eine Verschönerung des Standards. Dass es dann aber total in Richtung Fake gehen muss, ist nicht angemessen. Finde ich. Ich bin leicht angewidert. Irgendwie eine Marketing Verwirrung.By chance, I land on the Leica "à la carte" side. It is noticeable that the housings are not embroidered with genuine leather, but only with particularly robust. , , Bla bla bla.And it gets even thicker: you can choose ostrich-look: this is cowhide with ostrich embossing. Degenerate is probably no more. Everything only on image and effect. What do the real photographers say? I have nothing against a beautification of the standard. That it then however totally in the direction of fake must go, is not appropriate. I agree. I am slightly disgusted. Somehow a marketing mess. Edited August 4, 2017 by jaapv added google translate Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Advertisement Posted August 3, 2017 Posted August 3, 2017 Hi M11 for me, Take a look here M10 "leather". I'm sure you'll find what you were looking for!
Alo Ako Posted August 3, 2017 Share #2 Posted August 3, 2017 (edited) Da fällt auf, dass die Gehäuse gar nicht mit echt Leder eingefasst sind, sondern lediglich mit besonders robustem . . . Blablabla...Das ist dann Rindsleder mit ... Ja, was denn nun: Leder oder doch kein Leder? What next: leather or not? Edited August 4, 2017 by jaapv added translation Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
M11 for me Posted August 3, 2017 Author Share #3 Posted August 3, 2017 (edited) Ja, was denn nun: Leder oder doch kein Leder? Doch, es ist Leder: Das Straussenleder ist Rindsleder . . . Das schreibe ich doch. Du hast mein Zitat etwas verkürzt. Bitte aufpassen beim Zitieren . . . Sure, it is leather. The Ostrich Skin is Cowhide... That is what I wrote. You shortened my quote somewhat. .. Please take care when quoting... Edited August 4, 2017 by jaapv translated Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
UliWer Posted August 3, 2017 Share #4 Posted August 3, 2017 Per Zufall lande ich... Irgendwie eine Marketing Verwirrung. "Per Zufall" you posted in the part of the Forum where everybody uses English but "Verwirrung" (confusement) is also the right word as far as the content of your posting is concerned: There is no "A la carte" option for the M10 (yet) - so you will have to stick with the "vulcanit" cover of the body, which in principle is the same since the first Leica came out. There have been some minor changes since, though it was never "real" leather. If you mind the coloured leather options you get for other bodies, you are not forced to pay for them. Some people seem to like them and I don't fear it will stop them from making the photos they want. 5 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted August 4, 2017 Share #5 Posted August 4, 2017 Who cares? Quite a few owners replace the leatherette with a covering of their own, provided by a number of third-party suppliers. Those coverings range from fancy snake and lizard leathers over a wide range of goatskin, other leathers and leather composites to simple synthetic Griptac. Why grudge Leica getting in on the game? "Original" embellishments are desirable as well, and Leica's leather quality is even better than the non-original stuff. And they supply matching straps. A fairly traditional thing. The Leica Luxus I was made from 1925-1930, followed by the Leica Luxus II. Gold plated, lizard skin. Worth millions nowadays. A-la-Carte has been around for quite a while too. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted August 4, 2017 Share #6 Posted August 4, 2017 Please use English when posting in the International Forum. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
M11 for me Posted August 4, 2017 Author Share #7 Posted August 4, 2017 Advertisement (gone after registration) Sorry for mixing up the languages and thanks for the translation. As a matter of fact there is no à la carte for the M10. That is correct. I just was of the opinion that the front and back surface was covered with real leather. As it is confirmed here it is not. And it is not for the M10 either. And for the à la carte I would expect oistrich leather to be really oistrich leather. However this is not my thing anyway. Even when à la carte would be lauched for the M10 I would not go for such designs unless they are real. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pedaes Posted August 4, 2017 Share #8 Posted August 4, 2017 What is this thread about? 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted August 4, 2017 Share #9 Posted August 4, 2017 I would not go for Ostrich either, but to Leica’s defence I must add that the covering is not advertised as Ostrich, but as Ostrich-print, like Shark-skin, in the past, was not made from Sharks. Old Leica are covered in Vulkanit, which was vulcanised onto the camera and is very hard to repair. Nowadays “Vulkanit” is an adhesive look-alike. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
UliWer Posted August 4, 2017 Share #10 Posted August 4, 2017 I would not go for Ostrich either, ... ... because there are no blue ostrichs, I presume. I hope the "leather" on your camera is from real blue whales at least. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
marcg Posted August 4, 2017 Share #11 Posted August 4, 2017 ... because there are no blue ostrichs, I presume. I hope the "leather" on your camera is from real blue whales at least. I somehow feel that there is a real disconnect between the sense of humour of German speakers and that of English speakers. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
UliWer Posted August 4, 2017 Share #12 Posted August 4, 2017 You are right, there is always a risk that someone takes something for serious when it was not meant to be. And the risks is higher, when the writer doesn't use his native language. Since jaapv knows both languages well I hope he didn't misunderstand it. To avoid any possible misunderstanding: No, I do not mind anyone using a camera with blue cover and no, I do not think that blue covers on a Leica come from blue whales. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pedaes Posted August 4, 2017 Share #13 Posted August 4, 2017 I do not think that blue covers on a Leica come from blue whales. Glad we cleared that one up! Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted August 4, 2017 Share #14 Posted August 4, 2017 ... because there are no blue ostrichs, I presume. I hope the "leather" on your camera is from real blue whales at least. Err... I have never had a blue camera... Maybe your screen needs calibrating? Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
@ndy_ellis Posted August 4, 2017 Share #15 Posted August 4, 2017 There is no beginning to the humour on this thread. Well maybe now Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdlaing Posted August 4, 2017 Share #16 Posted August 4, 2017 No end to it either. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
M11 for me Posted August 4, 2017 Author Share #17 Posted August 4, 2017 What is this thread about? Well, my initial question was absolutely serious. It was about the cover of the body, if this one was leather or not. Stupid enough I was always of the opinion that it was genuine leather. But now I know better. And I always knew that there is no such thing as a violet oistrich Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
arno_nyhm Posted August 4, 2017 Share #18 Posted August 4, 2017 i love the vulcanit of my M2 and was more than happy when i found out, the m10 has the same leathering. if someone else wants to pay for other options - so what? i wont. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Geschlecht Posted August 5, 2017 Share #19 Posted August 5, 2017 , Since jaapv knows both languages well I hope he didn't misunderstand it. To avoid any possible misunderstanding: No, I do not mind anyone using a camera with blue cover and no, I do not think that blue covers on a Leica come from blue whales. Hello UliWer, If you do not think that the blue covers on Leica Cameras comes from blue whales: What color whales do you think these blue covers come from? By the way, Vulcanite is most likely some proprietary form of a hard rubber compound sometimes also referred to as Ebonite. Ebonite is the hard rubber compound that has been used in the past as the black material just behind the point on old fountain pens. Among other things. It works well, is durable & lasts a long time. Just like on many M camera bodies until a while ago. Best Regards, Michael 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdlaing Posted August 5, 2017 Share #20 Posted August 5, 2017 Michael, You are correct. Vulcanite is a proprietary vulcanized rubber. Goodyear. Ebonite' s biggest use was bowling balls. Also proprietary. Also Goodyear. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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