B-A-C Posted August 3, 2017 Share #1 Posted August 3, 2017 Advertisement (gone after registration) https://leicarumors.com/2017/08/02/the-new-biotar-75mm-f1-5-lens-will-be-available-for-leica-m-mount-with-rangefinder-coupling.aspx/ Thoughts on the lens? Anyone interested in purchasing? Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Advertisement Posted August 3, 2017 Posted August 3, 2017 Hi B-A-C, Take a look here Zeiss to Produce Biotar 75mm f/1.5 M Lens. I'm sure you'll find what you were looking for!
FrozenInTime Posted August 3, 2017 Share #2 Posted August 3, 2017 MS Optical are also getting into the retro lens game - see the list of what is to come in the corner https://leicarumors.com/2017/08/02/new-ms-optics-historica-prot-40mm-f6-3-lens-for-leica-m-mount.aspx/ https://leicarumors.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/08/MS-Optics-Historica-Prot-40mm-f_6.3-lens-for-Leica-M-mount-by-Miyazaki5-560x374.jpg Fast weird lenses like the Biotar or Sonnetar appeal to me more than slow ones. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joakim Posted August 3, 2017 Share #3 Posted August 3, 2017 It's not Zeiss that will produce the lens, it's from a company owned by Meyer-Optik Görlitz. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
UliWer Posted August 3, 2017 Share #4 Posted August 3, 2017 Well, I am not sure if "Meyer-Optik Görlitz" owns anything. It is just a brand name like "Voigtländer" or "Rollei" - not even an enterprise. The owners are elsewhere: "In 2014, net SE, a publicly listed company (NETK) founded in 1997, working with brand manager Globell B.V., exhibited new lenses under the Meyer-Optik-Görlitz name at the Photokina trade fair and began delivering the lenses in December of the same year." (From Wikipedia). Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
edwardkaraa Posted August 3, 2017 Share #5 Posted August 3, 2017 I personally have the fantastic ZM 85/2 but I will keep an eye on this one just in case it has something special. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
james.liam Posted August 3, 2017 Share #6 Posted August 3, 2017 (edited) Anyone know anything about the 'look' of a Protaria lens formula (? anastigmat)? Edited August 3, 2017 by james.liam 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gregm61 Posted August 3, 2017 Share #7 Posted August 3, 2017 (edited) Advertisement (gone after registration) If it's as good as the Zeiss 35mm f1.4, I would understand why some would want that combination over a 35/75 Summilux pair. Edited August 3, 2017 by Gregm61 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
james.liam Posted August 3, 2017 Share #8 Posted August 3, 2017 (edited) If it's as good as the Zeiss 35mm f1.4, I would understand why some would want that combination over a 35/75 Summilux pair.None of them behave like modern lenses at the wider apertures. This is not why you'd buy these bespoke, quirky little things. Think 950's but with better coatings. Edited August 3, 2017 by james.liam Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaques Posted August 4, 2017 Share #9 Posted August 4, 2017 I have the original Biotar- it's an awesome lens: Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! 6 Quote Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/275330-zeiss-to-produce-biotar-75mm-f15-m-lens/?do=findComment&comment=3329789'>More sharing options...
jaques Posted August 4, 2017 Share #10 Posted August 4, 2017 I wonder how much the new one will cost? If I could sell my vintage collectible Exakta mount lens for more than an M Mount coupled RF modern version- I think I would be all in! Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LucisPictor Posted August 4, 2017 Share #11 Posted August 4, 2017 Some news about it: https://retrocameracs.wordpress.com/2017/08/03/neues-vom-neuen/ 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
luigi bertolotti Posted August 4, 2017 Share #12 Posted August 4, 2017 (edited) I wonder how much the new one will cost? If I could sell my vintage collectible Exakta mount lens for more than an M Mount coupled RF modern version- I think I would be all in! Well, they list a 85mm 1,5 at 999 Euros (not clear if it's really available and in which mounts... but reports do exist) ; this could be a reasonable base for pricing a 75mm 1,5... af course, Leica RF coupling adds to the cost and even more to the price... "Biotar" probably was one of the brand names that Zeiss Ikon didn't keep as its property after the litigations with their East Germany counterparts. Anyway, is fun to think that nowadays, with Leica M in a marginal position in the market, probably there is a wider choice of 3rd party lenses than in the '50s, when Leica was a dominant presence in 35mm photography... Edited August 4, 2017 by luigi bertolotti Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lct Posted August 4, 2017 Share #13 Posted August 4, 2017 Interesting indeed. Depends how bulky it is though. Anything bigger and/or heavier than my Summilux 75/1.4 would not interest me. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tailwagger Posted August 5, 2017 Share #14 Posted August 5, 2017 +1. I'm interested, but I'd echo lct. To justify it along side the Summilux, it will have to have a lot of the original's character in an acceptably sized package. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pgk Posted August 5, 2017 Share #15 Posted August 5, 2017 Interesting indeed. Depends how bulky it is though. Anything bigger and/or heavier than my Summilux 75/1.4 would not interest me. Such a lens may though, raise interest in the original Summilux which is already difficult to obtain at a reasonable price. My own copy (far from mint) has been to Leica for service/calibration and is now an excellent performer and its wide-open sharpness, whilst perhaps not up to much newer designs, is by no means poor. There is no reason why a 75/1.5 should not perform well even utilising older design parameters but it will be interesting to see if it is built to high enough tolerances to ensure that performs as well as the Summilux for a viable price (as in: much lower than a used Summilux). Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
luigi bertolotti Posted August 5, 2017 Share #16 Posted August 5, 2017 (edited) Such a lens may though, raise interest in the original Summilux which is already difficult to obtain at a reasonable price. My own copy (far from mint) has been to Leica for service/calibration and is now an excellent performer and its wide-open sharpness, whilst perhaps not up to much newer designs, is by no means poor. There is no reason why a 75/1.5 should not perform well even utilising older design parameters but it will be interesting to see if it is built to high enough tolerances to ensure that performs as well as the Summilux for a viable price (as in: much lower than a used Summilux). This is the real doubt , indeed : a 75 1,5 with RF coupling MUST be made with excellent mechanics : and not only to assure tight tolerancing on the item when NEW, but also to assure DURATION of the initial quality and MAINTANABILITY if you must have the lens CLAd after some time : what about Meyer Optik customer service ? Question mark, of course... what about a 3rd party lab capability to work on the item ? another question mark... In general, to achieve low manufacturing time&cost, you must trade in for number of adjusting points... and even, trivially,for dissssembling/reassembling possibilities : this can be the problem for lenses of this kind. Edited August 5, 2017 by luigi bertolotti 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaques Posted August 7, 2017 Share #17 Posted August 7, 2017 well- by the looks of it it will cost well over 1000 Euro- (more likely 2000) which is me out. I'd be lucky to get 800 USD for my vintage Biotar. I don't need a 75mm lens that much. But I'll be interested to see how it compares. Hopefully those guys at 7 Artisans make a version of this that is truly affordable ;-) 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pico Posted August 8, 2017 Share #18 Posted August 8, 2017 (edited) Interesting indeed. Depends how bulky it is though. Anything bigger and/or heavier than my Summilux 75/1.4 would not interest me. It can be smaller and lighter by using fewer elements, which is likely. The optical performance will be diminished, however there will be those who love it for its imperfections couched in term of 'vintage' with modern coating. Edited August 8, 2017 by pico 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
luigi bertolotti Posted August 10, 2017 Share #19 Posted August 10, 2017 well- by the looks of it it will cost well over 1000 Euro- (more likely 2000) which is me out. ... Well.. you are probably right... they list a Primoplan 75 f 1,9 at 1999 € (apparently, available also in M Mount) ... I'd be curios, though, to know if they really sell it, and in which numbers... Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LucisPictor Posted August 12, 2017 Share #20 Posted August 12, 2017 https://retrocameracs.wordpress.com/2017/08/10/neues-zum-biotar-75/ 4 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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