nscali Posted July 14, 2017 Share #1 Posted July 14, 2017 Advertisement (gone after registration) My Leica TL2 seems to overexpose shots in AE mode. The exposure in the image appears much brighter than what is metered in the monitor or evf at the time of exposure. The image is exposed correctly in the monitor after locking focus, but the image taken is always brighter. Manual mode exposes correctly. Has anyone else experienced this? thanks Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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fastfashn Posted July 14, 2017 Share #2 Posted July 14, 2017 The T always had a tendency. Recommended settings were to underexpose by 1 to 1/2 stops. Also, you have not stated what metering mode you use. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest VVJ Posted July 14, 2017 Share #3 Posted July 14, 2017 Too bad they didn't address this... My original T tends tends to overexpose with about 2/3rds of a stop. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
STEVEcKONG Posted July 14, 2017 Share #4 Posted July 14, 2017 Yes, my T was the same and some review for the TL2 pointed that out as well.. I hope they could fix it with a firmware update... btw, where did you get your TL2 this early? Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
FlashGordonPhotography Posted July 14, 2017 Share #5 Posted July 14, 2017 I would consider altering the EVF brightness to match. Gordon Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Overgaard Posted July 15, 2017 Share #6 Posted July 15, 2017 You see a short glimpse in the beginning, almost like an electronic glitch. That's the actual exposure, and then the EVF or screen goes to another mode. It was the same in the Leica SL where the EVF didn't show the actual exposure. There seem to be an explanation for it in the way the sensor/firmware works, and I have asked to get more info on it. The EVF/screen seems to get it right mostly in daylight. It's in darker conditions that it doesn't show the right preview. 3 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
vikasmg Posted July 15, 2017 Share #7 Posted July 15, 2017 Advertisement (gone after registration) My Leica TL2 seems to overexpose shots in AE mode. The exposure in the image appears much brighter than what is metered in the monitor or evf at the time of exposure. The image is exposed correctly in the monitor after locking focus, but the image taken is always brighter. Manual mode exposes correctly. Has anyone else experienced this? thanks Yes, I had the same problem but it may have been due to the subject in the photograph. The bright yellow flower was overexposed and the first time I tried the image I just posted. It was better adjusted to -1 The first image (no adjustments except resizing for this forum) was this: Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! - Vikas Quote Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! - Vikas ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/274437-tl2-overexposing-in-aperture-priority-mode/?do=findComment&comment=3316104'>More sharing options...
RickP Posted July 15, 2017 Share #8 Posted July 15, 2017 If I may suggest...the above image is for the most part dark subject .. the sensor is always assuming a neutral gray so it compenstaes by upping the exposure. This subject needs to be underexposed by at least one stop ..that will keep the background the proper shade of dark gray and the flower also correctly exposed. None of this is the cameras fault.. it is the way this exposure system (actually all cameras) are set up. The two classic examples are .. a snow scene must be exposed at + 2 to keep the Snow White, a photo of a black door should be under exposed - 2 otherwise it will end up gray in your photo. This is probably the most basic concept in proper metering since the beginning of metered photography. Most of you are aware of this and I have no intention of 'schooling' any of you .. I just thought I would point out the obvious. Rick 7 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
nscali Posted July 15, 2017 Author Share #9 Posted July 15, 2017 Yes, it seems to be ok in normal/bright light but the variance between the evf and the actual exposure is more apparent in darker light. I see the flashes as you hold the shutter button down, which match the exposure. Good to know that there doesn't appear to be anything wrong with the camera. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
vikasmg Posted July 16, 2017 Share #10 Posted July 16, 2017 If I may suggest...the above image is for the most part dark subject .. the sensor is always assuming a neutral gray so it compenstaes by upping the exposure. This subject needs to be underexposed by at least one stop ..that will keep the background the proper shade of dark gray and the flower also correctly exposed. None of this is the cameras fault.. it is the way this exposure system (actually all cameras) are set up. The two classic examples are .. a snow scene must be exposed at + 2 to keep the Snow White, a photo of a black door should be under exposed - 2 otherwise it will end up gray in your photo. This is probably the most basic concept in proper metering since the beginning of metered photography. Most of you are aware of this and I have no intention of 'schooling' any of you .. I just thought I would point out the obvious. Rick You are quite right Rick. That's what I meant by my first sentence but I think I may not have been clear. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Steve7 Posted July 16, 2017 Share #11 Posted July 16, 2017 I have wrestled with this issue on the original T for some time. I find that in the automatic modes (P A S), only spot metering shows an accurate EVF / LCD preview under darker conditions. For this reason, I leave my T in spot metering mode and manage with either exposure compensation or AF/AE lock on half-press. Very quirky compared to some other cameras... but the T's lovely images are easily worth this quirkyness! Good luck finding your comfortable way to use the TL2. -Steve Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter Roband Posted July 17, 2017 Share #12 Posted July 17, 2017 I agree that the T/TL/TL2 routinely overexposes images, but for what it is worth, I find it easy to expose images exactly to my liking by carefully managing exposure compensation, for which purposes I have assigned one of the two dials. The display on the back of the camera is useful, accurate and encourages this. That probably doesn't excuse the Leica T's default settings, but is an easy and practical workaround. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jevidon Posted July 18, 2017 Share #13 Posted July 18, 2017 All of my Leica's including the old M8, my current M9P and my current T all seem to overexpose a little. Every camera manufacturer sets the 'normal' exposure to their own taste and preference. I routinely set exposure compensation in the 'user preference' menu to (-) 1/3 stop. I get a nice exposures without any shadow detail blocking. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
hoolyproductions Posted August 17, 2017 Share #14 Posted August 17, 2017 You see a short glimpse in the beginning, almost like an electronic glitch. That's the actual exposure, and then the EVF or screen goes to another mode. It was the same in the Leica SL where the EVF didn't show the actual exposure. There seem to be an explanation for it in the way the sensor/firmware works, and I have asked to get more info on it. The EVF/screen seems to get it right mostly in daylight. It's in darker conditions that it doesn't show the right preview. I just got a TL2 and noticed this straight away. Is it now fixed in the SL? (and so I can hope this will be addressed in the TL2) Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
tom0511 Posted August 17, 2017 Share #15 Posted August 17, 2017 I usually have exp comp at -2/3 for most images, works fine. Exposure is much more consistent and easier to nail than with the M10 exposure metering. I dont know why Leica decided to tweak the exposure on the "bright side" but it is really not a problem to correct with exp comp. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
fastfashn Posted August 17, 2017 Share #16 Posted August 17, 2017 (edited) Has anyone actually tried a gray card? Hmmm? No, of course not. My Fuji X overexposes. My T overexposes. I suspect if I had a Nikon that would too. If you are worried about it, then like everyone says, underexpose. By the way, is anyone actually looking at a histogram before they take a shot?! Does anyone here have a hand-held light meter?! Ok, I just checked my T meter in a room lit by one window, with a lot of neutral, and at zero compensation, it's fine. When I'm outside in bright sun with a lot of green around, it tends to overexpose a little. It's just the way the metering is looking at neutrals. Like I said, get a gray card, watch the histogram, and underexpose when necessary. Edited August 17, 2017 by fastfashn Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
hoolyproductions Posted August 18, 2017 Share #17 Posted August 18, 2017 I wasn't talking about over exposure as such; it does seem to expose on the 'bright' side of neutral but that's fine with me. What I noticed (and isalso pointed out above by Ovegaard) is that the display is not WYSIWYG in terms of exposure, at least not when shooting indoors in subdued light. For me, WYSIWYG is the main advantage of an electronic display so this is a bit disappointing. Most cameras have a setting for whether you want a permanent exposure preview (WYSIWYG) or only upon shutter button half-press. With the TL2, it seems to come as a brief 'flash' upon half-press (although in even lower light this does not either seem to happen). I wonder if this occurs with T/TL Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
fastfashn Posted August 18, 2017 Share #18 Posted August 18, 2017 ... What I noticed (and isalso pointed out above by Ovegaard) is that the display is not WYSIWYG in terms of exposure, at least not when shooting indoors in subdued light. For me, WYSIWYG is the main advantage of an electronic display so this is a bit disappointing.... "What I noticed (and isalso pointed out above by Ovegaard) is that the display is not WYSIWYG in terms of exposure" - Try setting the display brightness setting to manual on the T. Also... Most displays are not WYSIWYG. How often does what you see on the display of your Macbook what you get on a hard copy print of your photo? Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MDCT Posted August 21, 2017 Share #19 Posted August 21, 2017 I have a little Seikonics 700 spectrometer that we use in the studio. I was consistently getting 2/3 to a stop of difference from metered settings Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MDCT Posted August 21, 2017 Share #20 Posted August 21, 2017 This was on the T BTW Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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