srivastava Posted July 10, 2017 Share #1 Posted July 10, 2017 Advertisement (gone after registration) Seeking some advice as I am unable to make up my mind. I wish to buy a digital M. I shoot film with a Minolta CLE using the 40mm lens. Love the focussing and the rangefinder experience. My Vario X does not excite me any more as it is not a range finder. I like the CCD range , and they are also affordable . I have tried both M240 ( too heavy for my wrists ) and the M10( no negatives except I can not afford it for next 2 years). I am able to get a brand new M-E with 2 yr warranty for little more than an M9P with sensor change. Given that Leica will replace sensor on the mM-E if needed for next 5 years , am I better off buying that than the better looking M9-P? I will be using my Rokkor M 40mm lens on the camera and I am ok with that, will probably activate the 50mm framelines so I will get more on the actual shot than the frame lines indicate. I was toying with a used 262 due to it's weight but the M9 and M-E are both cheaper. Many thanks Rajat Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Advertisement Posted July 10, 2017 Posted July 10, 2017 Hi srivastava, Take a look here M9-P with new sensor or new M-E. I'm sure you'll find what you were looking for!
jip Posted July 10, 2017 Share #2 Posted July 10, 2017 M9-P has saphire crystal cover on your LCD which is nice! The only reason to get the M-E would be warranty. But then again sooner or later you'd have to replace the sensor... 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted July 10, 2017 Share #3 Posted July 10, 2017 M9P without a doubt. A good used Leica is not worse than a new one, except for the "new smell" The M9-P is a more attractive camera than the M-E and likely to be worth more if you should ever decide to sell it on. I am a bit puzzled by your weight remark. The difference between an M9-P and an M262 (without batteries) is 15 grams. (with battery 80, which is no big deal either) 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
srivastava Posted July 10, 2017 Author Share #4 Posted July 10, 2017 Thank you , that is helpful What I meant was that the 262 was something I was considering as it was the same weight as M9, as oppposed to the heavy 240 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
srivastava Posted July 10, 2017 Author Share #5 Posted July 10, 2017 M9-P has saphire crystal cover on your LCD which is nice! The only reason to get the M-E would be warranty. Thank you But then again sooner or later you'd have to replace the sensor... Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted July 10, 2017 Share #6 Posted July 10, 2017 Well, 85 grams on a system that is likely to weigh something like 1 kg with lens, not to mention the possible weight of other lenses in your bag, is neither here not there IMO. Digital Leica M cameras are hefty cameras, whichever model one chooses. Even the M10 is not significantly different. But you are probably right to avoid the M240. Once the idea of heavy weight has nestled itself in the mind, annoyance is sure to follow. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
srivastava Posted July 10, 2017 Author Share #7 Posted July 10, 2017 Advertisement (gone after registration) You are right , it might be psychological:) The Minolta 40mm weighs almost nothing and I don't use any other lens. 40mm for street photography suits my style. I think I will get the M9-P Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
vinicio Posted July 10, 2017 Share #8 Posted July 10, 2017 M9P without a doubt. A good used Leica is not worse than a new one, except for the "new smell" The M9-P is a more attractive camera than the M-E and likely to be worth more if you should ever decide to sell it on. I am a bit puzzled by your weight remark. The difference between an M9-P and an M262 (without batteries) is 15 grams. (with battery 80, which is no big deal either) Totally with you; have two M9P with sensor changed and these two bodies will stay for the next 5 years at least. CCD colors are fantastic and up to ISO 640 is full performing. If you then underexposed 2 stops it’s all most like working at 2500 ISO; do you really need more? Inviato dal mio iPhone utilizzando Tapatalk Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted July 10, 2017 Share #9 Posted July 10, 2017 You are right , it might be psychological:) The Minolta 40mm weighs almost nothing and I don't use any other lens. 40mm for street photography suits my style. I think I will get the M9-P I'm sure you'll really like it. You probably won't need it, but make sure the shop gives you a decent guaranty. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarkP Posted July 10, 2017 Share #10 Posted July 10, 2017 Much better choice - M9-P with sensor upgrade. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted July 10, 2017 Share #11 Posted July 10, 2017 Come to think of it, Mark, the development of the M series is an interesting one: If you don't need the smaller size and retro features of the M10 (and the gradual improvements), the M240 is an excellent choice. If you don't need the EVF and slighly upgraded sensor of the M240, the M9 is preferable. Even the M8 is still a superb performer for those willing to work within its limitations. It tells us a lot about the inherent quality of these cameras, despite quirks, foibles and Forum grumbles. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
srivastava Posted July 10, 2017 Author Share #12 Posted July 10, 2017 I have purchased the M9-P from the Leica Manchester Store. It comes with their 12 month warranty. Thank you all for helping me decide . Appreciate it. Will post pictures soon!!! 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ko.Fe. Posted July 11, 2017 Share #13 Posted July 11, 2017 I have no idea why used M9P is better than new M-E. Welll... Make sure it is with recent sensor. If it is not, you might face the bill after 12 months. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
silverchrome Posted July 12, 2017 Share #14 Posted July 12, 2017 (edited) I have no idea why used M9P is better than new M-E. Welll... Make sure it is with recent sensor. If it is not, you might face the bill after 12 months. The colour and removal of the preview level together with the general perception that the ME is a 'budget' model doesn't do it any favours. I'd go for the M9-P as well. I still think the M9-P (in silver chrome, naturally) is the best looking digital M of all time. As Jaap said, the P will also hold its value better. I didn't lose a penny when I sold mine, and I had mine from new. Edited July 12, 2017 by silverchrome Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ko.Fe. Posted July 12, 2017 Share #15 Posted July 12, 2017 The colour and removal of the preview level together with the general perception that the ME is a 'budget' model doesn't do it any favours. I'd go for the M9-P as well. I still think the M9-P (in silver chrome, naturally) is the best looking digital M of all time. As Jaap said, the P will also hold its value better. I didn't lose a penny when I sold mine, and I had mine from new. I'm the image taker, not cameras in color collector or re-seller. Paying less for new Leica camera makes more sense to me. But after all it is all about sensor now. As I mentioned, if M9-P has old new sensor installed, the chance of paying for correct sensor after 12 months is high. If M-E is purchased officially now as new, the sensor is covered for next five years. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gregm61 Posted July 12, 2017 Share #16 Posted July 12, 2017 (edited) Even an image maker can appreciate the preview lever and virtually un-scratchable back LCD, no? I miss the preview lever in my M262. The first used M9 I purchased the back LCD was scratched to hell and back. I wound up giving it to a friend when I purchased an M9 that had been converted to M9-P specs. If the M9 with the replaced sensor now has the new sensor (which my M9-P has), it should be good. I had the sensor in my initial M9 replaced before the new replacement was available, so they obviously used an old/original version of the sensor, and it did indeed develop corrosion again. Edited July 12, 2017 by Gregm61 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
srivastava Posted July 12, 2017 Author Share #17 Posted July 12, 2017 Dear all Here is a photograph on my camera. Loving the size, able to shoot single handedly using the wrist strap. A few OOC JPEGs and some RAW files Nothing great technically but loving the colours! Thanks Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gregm61 Posted July 12, 2017 Share #18 Posted July 12, 2017 Enjoy the "feel" of that vulcanite material and hope you never have to have the sensor replaced. Last year when I sent my M9-P in to have the sensor swapped, they had to use the normal covering because the vulcanite was no longer available. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Woolly Posted July 13, 2017 Share #19 Posted July 13, 2017 You needn't settle for the M9 vulcanite, I just had my 'p' returned after sensor exchange and opted for the leather at €80 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted July 13, 2017 Share #20 Posted July 13, 2017 AFAIK it is 100€ for a-la-carte leather in combination with the sensor replacement. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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