solouga89 Posted June 18, 2017 Share #1 Posted June 18, 2017 Advertisement (gone after registration) Hi all, I bought an M262 yesterday with a 50mm summicron and am hugely happy! One minor thing - what I see inside the frame lines is actually quite a bit more than what I see on the final image. Is this normal? Taking a photo from a distance of 2-3m with with a row of wine bottles towards the bottom of the frame lines, the image captured cuts off pretty much the whole bottle I've manually selected the lens type from the serial number (as it doesn't have 6bit coding) but is there anything else I have failed to do? Or does this sound pretty normal? Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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jdlaing Posted June 18, 2017 Share #2 Posted June 18, 2017 Firstly, the frame lines are set mechanically by the mount flange on the lens. 6 bit code has nothing to do with the frame lines. The accuracy of the frame lines per the distance to the subject take a little getting used to. With a little practice you'll get it. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted June 18, 2017 Share #3 Posted June 18, 2017 The frame lines are accurate at one distance only, which varies between 1 and 2 m. depending on the model of the camera. As the focal length of the lens varies with the focussed distance this cannot be anything else, except if Leica were to introduce digital frame lines at some point in the future. Until then, the frame lines will be too narrow at infinity and more or less accurate close-up. Most experienced M shooters tend to frame a bit loosely at shorter distances. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff S Posted June 18, 2017 Share #4 Posted June 18, 2017 (edited) This and much other useful info covered in the FAQ... https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/216580-leica-m8-m82-m9-m9p-mm-mtyp240-faqs-questions-with-answers/page-1 Enjoy your new gear. Jeff Edited June 18, 2017 by Jeff S Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted June 18, 2017 Share #5 Posted June 18, 2017 Thanks, Jeff . Specifically this post: https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/216580-leica-m8-m82-m9-m9p-mm-mtyp240-faqs-questions-with-answers/?p=2464054 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ECohen Posted June 18, 2017 Share #6 Posted June 18, 2017 The frame lines are accurate at one distance only, which varies between 1 and 2 m. depending on the model of the camera. As the focal length of the lens varies with the focussed distance this cannot be anything else, except if Leica were to introduce digital frame lines at some point in the future. Until then, the frame lines will be too narrow at infinity and more or less accurate close-up. Most experienced M shooters tend to frame a bit loosely at shorter distances. Ahhhh that make sense. Coming from DSLR to the rangefinder I just assumed it wasn't accurate and "close enough" .......so I left a little room around what I wanted and moved on. Thanks Jaapv for once again explaining things simply. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jk1002 Posted June 18, 2017 Share #7 Posted June 18, 2017 Advertisement (gone after registration) If i am not mistaken, 262 works with 2 meter. So it should be pretty much spot on. Unless your using a funny angle I wouldnt considers this normal. There is a 262 youtube by a german guy in youtube, that explain the angle thing. Maybe post a picture. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff S Posted June 18, 2017 Share #8 Posted June 18, 2017 If i am not mistaken, 262 works with 2 meter. Yes, all M240 based cameras have frame lines optimized for 2m, like the M8.2. Other digital M frame lines are optimized for 1m. This should not be confused with the focus patch, which is set at a virtual distance of 2m for all these versions. Jeff Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted June 18, 2017 Share #9 Posted June 18, 2017 But- as the viewfinder is not in the optical axis, it will suffer from parallax perspective shift, which, despite the framing being correct, can give surprising results. Yes, it does correct for parallax in the plane of focus, but everything before and behind that plane will be shifted to a certain extent. I made a somewhat primitive sketch, hope it makes things clear. Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Quote Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/273617-frame-line-issue/?do=findComment&comment=3298211'>More sharing options...
solouga89 Posted June 19, 2017 Author Share #10 Posted June 19, 2017 Thanks all, this was helpful. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdlaing Posted June 19, 2017 Share #11 Posted June 19, 2017 But- as the viewfinder is not in the optical axis, it will suffer from parallax perspective shift, which, despite the framing being correct, can give surprising results. Yes, it does correct for parallax in the plane of focus, but everything before and behind that plane will be shifted to a certain extent. I made a somewhat primitive sketch, hope it makes things clear. IMG_0598.JPG That's a little exaggerated. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted June 19, 2017 Share #12 Posted June 19, 2017 Do you know a better way to make the situation clear? And it depends on the subject distance... Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdlaing Posted June 19, 2017 Share #13 Posted June 19, 2017 No and yes. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdlaing Posted June 19, 2017 Share #14 Posted June 19, 2017 And dandy artwork by the way. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted June 19, 2017 Share #15 Posted June 19, 2017 And dandy artwork by the way. LOL. My technical drawing teacher, ages ago, would have had a heart attack, Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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