vladik Posted June 10, 2017 Share #1 Posted June 10, 2017 Advertisement (gone after registration) Frame selector reappears on M10. How useful is it really? Or is it again to preserve ‘tradition’ and that M look? How many of you are really really using it? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Advertisement Posted June 10, 2017 Posted June 10, 2017 Hi vladik, Take a look here Frame selector?. I'm sure you'll find what you were looking for!
luigi bertolotti Posted June 10, 2017 Share #2 Posted June 10, 2017 Tough having used film M Leicas for 25 years around, I have suffered very little the absence of frame selector on M240 (it took longer , in comparision, to get accustomed that "full framed VF" is 28 and not the 35 of M4... once that one has this well in mind, is rather easy to guess which focal fits for your pic):however, no bad they have re-introduced it on M10 : sorry for them, but for me not a sufficient reason to switch... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lct Posted June 10, 2017 Share #3 Posted June 10, 2017 Always used the frame selector to figure out the FoV of different lenses with my M3, M4, M4-2, M6J and M8.2. Was a mistake to waive it on the M240 as it is of the superiorities of rangefinders over TTL cameras IMHO. Kudos to Leica for having re-introduced it. Would be one of my few reasons to be tempted by the M10 if any. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
happymac Posted June 10, 2017 Share #4 Posted June 10, 2017 Indispensable! – I hadn't bought M10 without it. Unfortunately it's necessary now to switch the camera on (due to LED need). Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
a.noctilux Posted June 10, 2017 Share #5 Posted June 10, 2017 Frame selector is useful when one use more than one lens to previsualise the framing before swaping lenses. When it's not there, I miss it. When it's there, I use it naturally. Even when I use MATE (28-35-50), oddly enough, when the selector is not there, my left finger "search" for it before simply changing focal length on the MATE. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kwesi Posted June 10, 2017 Share #6 Posted June 10, 2017 I loved it on the M9, missed it briefly on the M240 and am happy it's back on the 246. Now I mostly don't remember it's there but an M without the lever feels incomplete. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted June 10, 2017 Share #7 Posted June 10, 2017 Advertisement (gone after registration) Frame selector reappears on M10. How useful is it really? Or is it again to preserve ‘tradition’ and that M look? How many of you are really really using it? The different frame lines are very usefull inside a picture in getting well controlled vertical lines of buildings or horizontally lines at the sea. Sometimes they have to replace a missing complete grid inside the viewfinder. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Simon Posted June 10, 2017 Share #8 Posted June 10, 2017 Especially useful for novices or anyone new to the M system who's learning the feel for different focal lengths. I mostly love it for the look, feel and tradition. Great to see it back as standard on the digital M. I hope it stays. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mhicks Posted June 10, 2017 Share #9 Posted June 10, 2017 Especially useful for novices or anyone new to the M system who's learning the feel for different focal lengths. *nodding* Yep, I resemble that remark! I am new to RF and was delighted to see them. Like mnutzer said before they aid my leveling but also I love that a quick look let's me know how much of what I'm seeing can be captured by my 28. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdlaing Posted June 10, 2017 Share #10 Posted June 10, 2017 I use it regularly. Love it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill W Posted June 10, 2017 Share #11 Posted June 10, 2017 Not often used but I would miss if it were not there. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adam K Posted June 10, 2017 Share #12 Posted June 10, 2017 I use it frequently, but am irritated that the frames still come up in pairs when a lens is in place. The old 'coding' was mechanical on the lens mount, and I would have thought that with 6-bit-coding the camera has the information to put up only the frame line required? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdlaing Posted June 10, 2017 Share #13 Posted June 10, 2017 I use it frequently, but am irritated that the frames still come up in pairs when a lens is in place. The old 'coding' was mechanical on the lens mount, and I would have thought that with 6-bit-coding the camera has the information to put up only the frame line required? Doesn't work that way. The frame lines are cut out of a metal mask that light shines through. The six bit code had nothing whatsoever to do with frame line mask selection. That is done mechanically with the lens mount. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
willeica Posted June 10, 2017 Share #14 Posted June 10, 2017 Today I used my LTM (original) 2.8 cm f5.6cm Summaron lens on my M10. I did not have a 28-90 adaptor and used a 28-50 (yes they do exist) adaptor instead. It did not bring up the 28mm frame-lines but rather the 50-75 combination. I found that by pushing on the lever with my finger I could get the 28mm frame-lines I needed. It worked very well and was not a bit awkward, aided by the smaller size of the camera. On the M240 I would just have used the whole of the window to frame. As Luigi says, this is not a reason of itself to get an M10. I really am enjoying the smaller size of the M10. William Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff S Posted June 10, 2017 Share #15 Posted June 10, 2017 I use it frequently, but am irritated that the frames still come up in pairs when a lens is in place. The old 'coding' was mechanical on the lens mount, and I would have thought that with 6-bit-coding the camera has the information to put up only the frame line required? As jd noted, here's how it looks and works....still like the M8... https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/66999-anatomy-of-the-leica-m8-framelines/ The difference starting with the M240 is that the lines are illuminated by internal LED instead of the outside window. Jeff Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted June 11, 2017 Share #16 Posted June 11, 2017 I've rarely used it on any M camera had, I did not miss it, I don't mind its presence either. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ramarren Posted June 11, 2017 Share #17 Posted June 11, 2017 All my Ms have had the frame selector. I've never had much use for it, other than when I'm using an MR-4 on a meterless body (the meter sees about the same as the 90mm frame lines). Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Photon42 Posted June 12, 2017 Share #18 Posted June 12, 2017 Mine just happened to fall off. Not really missed. As I found the lever but not the stew anymore, it looks a bit odd now. Replacement screw needed to be ordered in Wetzlar. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff S Posted June 12, 2017 Share #19 Posted June 12, 2017 Mine just happened to fall off. Not really missed. As I found the lever but not the stew anymore, it looks a bit odd now. Replacement screw needed to be ordered in Wetzlar. Even if not used, wise to fix for best weather sealing. Jeff Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Photon42 Posted June 13, 2017 Share #20 Posted June 13, 2017 Even if not used, wise to fix for best weather sealing. Jeff that is the plan - just need the replacement screw ... Ivo Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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