vladik Posted May 16, 2017 Share #1 Posted May 16, 2017 Advertisement (gone after registration) Due to somewhat scares information on Visoflex 020 would you please let me know if it has a level (artificial horizon) function when used on M10? Thank you in advance. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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cp995 Posted May 16, 2017 Share #2 Posted May 16, 2017 Actually ther is no artificial horizon with the M10 (is a camera feature, not from the EVF) Should be added in a future FW release ... 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magic Posted May 16, 2017 Share #3 Posted May 16, 2017 Like cp995 said, it does not...but you can lay the grid over the screen and so you have a good estimate in LV so, when you get closer to the VF and don't tilt the cam in between, you are pretty much levelled out. 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
vladik Posted May 16, 2017 Author Share #4 Posted May 16, 2017 Actually ther is no artificial horizon with the M10 (is a camera feature, not from the EVF) Should be added in a future FW release ... This has been reported before, but unless there is a level sensor in the M10 already no future FW release will be able to activate it. I wish it would happen, I found it very useful in my now sold M 240 and use it all the time with my Fujifilm X-Pro2. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
vladik Posted May 16, 2017 Author Share #5 Posted May 16, 2017 Like cp995 said, it does not...but you can lay the grid over the screen and so you have a good estimate in LV so, when you get closer to the VF and don't tilt the cam in between, you are pretty much levelled out. Thanks for your tip Magic, potentially very useful. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
cp995 Posted May 16, 2017 Share #6 Posted May 16, 2017 This has been reported before, but unless there is a level sensor in the M10 already no future FW release will be able to activate it... D'accord! But I would not be surpised if Leica still implemented the sensor and the Software people forgot to activate it Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
screwmount Posted May 16, 2017 Share #7 Posted May 16, 2017 Advertisement (gone after registration) Like cp995 said, it does not...but you can lay the grid over the screen and so you have a good estimate in LV so, when you get closer to the VF and don't tilt the cam in between, you are pretty much levelled out. Why would you level it on the LV and then swich to the VF???? Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
CVickery Posted May 16, 2017 Share #8 Posted May 16, 2017 This has been reported before, but unless there is a level sensor in the M10 already no future FW release will be able to activate it. I wish it would happen, I found it very useful in my now sold M 240 and use it all the time with my Fujifilm X-Pro2. Since the M10 will auto-rotate images I suspect that the level sensor is there. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
vladik Posted May 16, 2017 Author Share #9 Posted May 16, 2017 Since the M10 will auto-rotate images I suspect that the level sensor is there. Very good observation CVickery I guess Leica willing horizon line should be able to be activate with subsequent firmware upgrade. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
cp995 Posted May 17, 2017 Share #10 Posted May 17, 2017 Since the M10 will auto-rotate images I suspect that the level sensor is there. Yes, otherwise they couldn't have talked about the possibility of a FW upgrade only Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjh Posted May 18, 2017 Share #11 Posted May 18, 2017 Since the M10 will auto-rotate images I suspect that the level sensor is there. Lots of cameras support auto-rotate without a level sensor – it is a different, much simpler sensor used to distinguish between landscape and portrait orientation. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magic Posted May 18, 2017 Share #12 Posted May 18, 2017 Why would you level it on the LV and then swich to the VF???? Because - as stated above- there is no artificial horizon (yet) and the initial question was about using the Visoflex with the M10...so the VF can be very helpful when focussing in sunlight for example. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
a.noctilux Posted May 18, 2017 Share #13 Posted May 18, 2017 Grid is nice. Grid that can be choosen 3x3 or 4x6 is very handy to compose image. But for some subject, white only grid is difficult to see. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
vladik Posted May 19, 2017 Author Share #14 Posted May 19, 2017 Lots of cameras support auto-rotate without a level sensor – it is a different, much simpler sensor used to distinguish between landscape and portrait orientation. Too old for punk rock, too young to die - you are right even my 10 years + old P&S can flip from horizontal to vertical, there has to be a sensor in the M10 to implement horizont line by FW upgrade. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bellaluca Posted October 31, 2017 Share #15 Posted October 31, 2017 Hello- Trying the Visoflex 020 with the M10. Anyone with feedback on their use with Visoflex, good or bad I would love to hear your experiences. Very pricey and I a not sure it will help too often. I tried in Low light, low contrast subjects , a hot springs in low light, and the red lines were limiting, therefore shot took too long using the visoflex. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
marcg Posted October 31, 2017 Share #16 Posted October 31, 2017 It is extremely useful if you are using the lens is wider than 24 mm. If you use 21 mm, 18, 16, 15 – and if you use them a lot then it is certainly worth the outlay. If you think that you're going to be out of focus using the focus peaking – forget it. There is such a wide margin both sides of the focused area that frankly focus peaking is pretty well a joke. Basically you've still got to use the thing like an old non-electronic viewfinder, which means focus using the rangefinder and then check composition in the 020 If you want to geo-tag your photographs then the 020 is essential because it contains the GPS. However, if you got some money to spend you want a gadget then for my money it's much better than a £300 or more bag or a £400 or more leather case - and all the rest of the baubles. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nordvik Posted November 29, 2018 Share #17 Posted November 29, 2018 Does anyone know the magnification for the Visoflex 020? I can not find any technical data for this unlike SL (0,80) or other models. The M10 viewfinder have a 0,73 magnification. I used an iPhone for comparison: Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Quote Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/272538-visoflex-020-on-m10/?do=findComment&comment=3639317'>More sharing options...
Nordvik Posted November 29, 2018 Share #18 Posted November 29, 2018 The Visoflex 020 seems to have almost the same magnification. The framelines of the optical viewfinder is smaller, but I think that is as it should be. Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Quote Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/272538-visoflex-020-on-m10/?do=findComment&comment=3639320'>More sharing options...
Nordvik Posted November 29, 2018 Share #19 Posted November 29, 2018 Or can you not compare pictures taken with an iPhone agains the viewfinder? Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
a.noctilux Posted November 29, 2018 Share #20 Posted November 29, 2018 Two really different things in real use. - M10's OVF, if need be ( but not "better" for me) can be mounted with magnifier x1.25 or x1.4 (only center mag. ) - Visoflex 020 can have x10 magnifier at every portion of frame, at a flip of a button I use each VF with different type of photos to produce. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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