PSV Posted January 24, 2017 Share #1 Posted January 24, 2017 Advertisement (gone after registration) I had the opportunity to try out a M10 today for 45 min and immediately put my name on the list. I sold my M6 in anticipation last week so this will be the first digital M that truly speaks to me enough to part with that big chunk of change. I also tried out the Leica Visoflex EVF, which I found quite handy and certainly a nice accessory to have, however, the resolution and speed at that price point isn't compelling, but I thought I heard/read somewhere that Panasonic is about to release a higher res one that would work on the M10 - has anyone heard something similar? 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Rick Posted January 24, 2017 Share #2 Posted January 24, 2017 I had the opportunity to try out a M10 today for 45 min and immediately put my name on the list. I sold my M6 in anticipation last week so this will be the first digital M that truly speaks to me enough to part with that big chunk of change. I also tried out the Leica Visoflex EVF, which I found quite handy and certainly a nice accessory to have, however, the resolution and speed at that price point isn't compelling, but I thought I heard/read somewhere that Panasonic is about to release a higher res one that would work on the M10 - has anyone heard something similar? I think that is what everyone is hoping. Rick 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LocalHero1953 Posted January 24, 2017 Share #3 Posted January 24, 2017 I don't need a higher res one than the 020 - it would be nice, but I suspect one as high res as that in the SL would be physically rather large. But I would want one as fast and responsive as the SL's. The continued blackout on the M10, despite the Maestro II processor, is the aspect I find disappointing on the M10. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rick Posted January 24, 2017 Share #4 Posted January 24, 2017 Paul, The SL has 11fps. This was the goal stated by Leica in order to be able to obtain a 80ms blackout time in the EVF, which is comparable to an SLR. This is why the S and the SL have a big advantage over other mirrorless cameras for certain types of jobs. They can be shot like a DSLR camera - fast. I was hoping they would be able to do the same in the M10. I'm not sure why the M10 with the Maestro II processor is not able to have a comparable black out. Does it have to do with the shutter? Will this change with firmware? Not a deal breaker and I agree the 020 is fine, but it would be much better to have a shorter blackout. Rick 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LocalHero1953 Posted January 24, 2017 Share #5 Posted January 24, 2017 The performance of the EVF has to be secondary to the performance of the core systems on the M10, and I am sure the continued (though reduced) blackout is somehow down to design choices and compromises; the SL proves it is not down to lack of expertise on Leica's part. And I won't claim that it is the poor EVF performance (vis-a-vis my benchmark, the SL) that stops me going for the M10 - it is just not a big enough step up from my M240 in IQ and ergonomics either. Nevertheless, I was still surprised and disappointed that the EVF wasn't better. If Leica were to come out with a new add-on EVF with SL standards of responsiveness, and a firmware upgrade that implemented a silent electronic shutter across its speed range, both of which are within the realms of possibility, why, I might look at it again. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ramarren Posted January 25, 2017 Share #6 Posted January 25, 2017 ... I thought I heard/read somewhere that Panasonic is about to release a higher res one that would work on the M10 - has anyone heard something similar? I can't imagine why or how Panasonic would accomplish that, given that Panasonic has no products in their line with the same hardware interface that I'm aware of. The Leica M240 compatibility with the Olympus EVF2 was a matter of them buying the same hardware from Epson, something of an accident; I'm sure neither company planned it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ru2far2c Posted January 25, 2017 Share #7 Posted January 25, 2017 Advertisement (gone after registration) What third party EVF's may work with the M10? I read some where that the either panasonic or olympus EVF would work with the M240. If a third party would work with the M10 it would be nice to save a few bucks. I could see where it could come in handy at certain times. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
cookedart Posted January 25, 2017 Share #8 Posted January 25, 2017 What third party EVF's may work with the M10? I read some where that the either panasonic or olympus EVF would work with the M240. If a third party would work with the M10 it would be nice to save a few bucks. I could see where it could come in handy at certain times. If that was true it would also work with the T/TL. But I haven't yet seen or heard of any actual alternative. Panasonic hasn't released an external EVF for their cameras since the DMW-LVF2, for the GX1, and olympus' latest is the VF-4. Neither have the same hot shoe interface that the M10 or the TL has. Most of the higher end stuff from either manufacturer nowadays has a built in EVF. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
digitalfx Posted January 25, 2017 Share #9 Posted January 25, 2017 Currently there is no other EVF option. Leica created a unique interface to keep EVF sales. I don't expect this to change, although I do hope to see a new model soon from Leica. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rick Posted January 25, 2017 Share #10 Posted January 25, 2017 I don't need a higher res one than the 020 - it would be nice, but I suspect one as high res as that in the SL would be physically rather large. But I would want one as fast and responsive as the SL's. The continued blackout on the M10, despite the Maestro II processor, is the aspect I find disappointing on the M10. Hi Paul, Now that I actually have the camera and the Visoflex I'l like to modify my opinion. I agree that I don't need a higher resolution EVF than the 020. The 020 is actually fine. Also, it is fine with fast motion, so far. The jello is gone. I also find the blackout acceptable. It is a lot better than the M240. Actually usable. Rick 7 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
FlashGordonPhotography Posted January 25, 2017 Share #11 Posted January 25, 2017 I had the opportunity to try out a M10 today for 45 min and immediately put my name on the list. I sold my M6 in anticipation last week so this will be the first digital M that truly speaks to me enough to part with that big chunk of change. I also tried out the Leica Visoflex EVF, which I found quite handy and certainly a nice accessory to have, however, the resolution and speed at that price point isn't compelling, but I thought I heard/read somewhere that Panasonic is about to release a higher res one that would work on the M10 - has anyone heard something similar? It does also have an integrated GPS. Still expensive but no where near as much Leica tax as some other products (yes, I'm looking at you SF 40 flash.....) Gordon Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
chris_tribble Posted January 25, 2017 Share #12 Posted January 25, 2017 Hi Paul, Now that I actually have the camera and the Visoflex I'l like to modify my opinion. I agree that I don't need a higher resolution EVF than the 020. The 020 is actually fine. Also, it is fine with fast motion, so far. The jello is gone. I also find the blackout acceptable. It is a lot better than the M240. Actually usable. Rick Rick, +1. It's a world away from the VF-2 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul J Posted January 25, 2017 Share #13 Posted January 25, 2017 does the EVF black out also hold back the frame rate? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
tom0511 Posted January 25, 2017 Share #14 Posted January 25, 2017 I am quite happy with the Visoflex as well, knowing it from the T. The blackout is not great, but at least the delay between pressing the release and taking the image seems ok. I never liked the VF2 and therefore didn't use it, but I now might use the Visoflex here and then with the M10, for the Noctilux, or UWA or longer lenses. Even though my main use will be the rangefinder, that's why we own the M-cameras. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
PSV Posted January 25, 2017 Author Share #15 Posted January 25, 2017 I really appreciate the input. I'm sure the Visoflex will be "good enough" but I wanted some input before buying it. Still got time as I just put myself on the M10 list only yesterday (but at three different places). Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rick Posted January 25, 2017 Share #16 Posted January 25, 2017 I really appreciate the input. I'm sure the Visoflex will be "good enough" but I wanted some input before buying it. Still got time as I just put myself on the M10 list only yesterday (but at three different places). The Visoflex 020 is "good enough" by far. Compared to the M240 it is great! Compared to the SL... its just good enough. But, I do want to say I'm actually enjoying the Visiolex 020 where I never enjoyed using the VF-2 on my M240. Rick 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
luoyiigsnrr Posted December 21, 2018 Share #17 Posted December 21, 2018 Both M10D and Visoflex are on my list. I am a little discouraged to buy the Visioflex by its somewhat ugly streamline and its slow response. M10D and SEM 21mm will be my combo. An add-on viewfinder is inevitably necessary. SL has a better EVF. However, I prefer to a rangefinder camera. Could you please recomment any add-on OVF for the M10? Thanks. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
dkmoore Posted December 21, 2018 Share #18 Posted December 21, 2018 On 1/24/2017 at 5:14 PM, PSV said: I had the opportunity to try out a M10 today for 45 min and immediately put my name on the list. I sold my M6 in anticipation last week so this will be the first digital M that truly speaks to me enough to part with that big chunk of change. I also tried out the Leica Visoflex EVF, which I found quite handy and certainly a nice accessory to have, however, the resolution and speed at that price point isn't compelling, but I thought I heard/read somewhere that Panasonic is about to release a higher res one that would work on the M10 - has anyone heard something similar? You should be able to purchase an M10 from almost any of the Leica dealers without any such list, including Leica Store DC, who has both black and silver in stock. Are they putting you on Santa's good boy list? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
dkmoore Posted December 21, 2018 Share #19 Posted December 21, 2018 6 minutes ago, luoyiigsnrr said: Both M10D and Visoflex are on my list. I am a little discouraged to buy the Visioflex by its somewhat ugly streamline and its slow response. M10D and SEM 21mm will be my combo. An add-on viewfinder is inevitably necessary. SL has a better EVF. However, I prefer to a rangefinder camera. Could you please recomment any add-on OVF for the M10? Thanks. Leica, Zeiss, and Voitlander all make 21mm OVFs and they range in the same order of price from high to low. The Leica is metal and the best made but the other two are perfectly fine. If price is a factor I'd go with the Zeiss. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SMAL Posted December 21, 2018 Share #20 Posted December 21, 2018 vor 12 Minuten schrieb dkmoore: You should be able to purchase an M10 from almost any of the Leica dealers without any such list, including Leica Store DC, who has both black and silver in stock. Are they putting you on Santa's good boy list? This thread is almost two years old. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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