Which strap for the M10? {merged}

[pico]

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Leica 18777 is the only strap that pleases me other than the stock one that comes with a body.

[jazzwave]

Artisan&Artist easy slider khaki colour for my M10 silver

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[jonoslack]

Jono, I politely disagree.

 

"Semi circular scuff marks", as you described, do not happen by contact alone. No matter how fat or thin the connector. This has nothing to do with it.

Basically, to get these semi circular scuff marks it needs beside contact also movement. Just like with polishing nothing happens without a constant rotational or back-and-forth motion.

 

It's pretty much a given that this has nothing to do with holding a camera in your hands when shooting. Nor can it happen when the M10 is stored in a bag.

Most people carry their camera around the neck or across their body. In either case the camera rests against the wearer's body. Which puts it in a relative static position. Not much rubbing here either.

 

So, how does motion get into play?

I asked myself this question over and over. Then I remembered something you told me in one of your emails about your unique way of carrying your camera around.

The only way I can think of that adds motion to the mix, is carrying a camera over one shoulder only. Which is what you do.

 

Carrying a camera like this puts it in a non-stable, dangling position where it is constantly rocking back and forth and/or moving sideways.

 

Don't get me wrong, by itself this still shouldn't cause any harm. It's safe to say, you are not the only one who carries their camera in this fashion.

But if you add a few other things you told me to the occasion, like time – doing this for 5-6 hours a day, every day over a period of several (4?) weeks, then add bad weather conditions, the location you were for your test (on or near a beach – sand and salt water), and last but not least consider the fact that black chrome is not exactly the most robust finish to begin with, we might just have found an answer that makes sense.

 

Since we talked last, I received emails from customers who use my straps – with the thicker, 'fat' connector design – on their M10 cameras. None of them experienced so far any problems whatsoever. Including customers who received their M10 several months ago when it was first released.

True, one email wouldn't proof anything. But I have many now. And all are saying the same.

 

 

Best -Harry

 

Hi There Harry

 

These are good points - and I think you're probably right

 

I've also been thinking along these lines - and perhaps even further, it's not just the fact that carried over one shoulder the camera is moving more, but also, as one's shoulder is narrower than one's chest, it means that the angle of the strap is against the camera body rather than away from it, whereas if you carry it across your chest the angle of the strap is likely to pull it away from the top of the body.

 

So, although it's clearly something which users might like to consider, I can see that my usage will certainly exacerbate the situation. To be fair, most of the time I carry the camera in one hand with the strap turned down (which certainly couldn't create the effect). But I certainly do carry it over one shoulder a lot of the time - and certainly in dusty environments. 

 

I will moderate my behaviour (both with the camera and online).

 

Whatever - It's never altered my stated opinion that your straps are things of beauty and wonder (both functionally and aesthetically).

 

All the best

Jono

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#strapgate

[Guest]

I just received this one: https://tieherup-camera-straps.myshopify.com/products/rock-n-roll-m10-strap-charcoal-black

 

Comes with a nice linen bag. Feels strong and comfortable.

 

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[Soden]

Just bought yet another (ok a few more) Harry Benz straps. I use them on all my cameras. I love their simplicity and strength. I've tried A&A, Gordies, Annie Barton and a few others. I've discovered that I don't care for straps made from multiple pieces of leather (or silk).

 

Edited May 10, 2017 by Soden

[dkmoore]

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Jono, I politely disagree.

 

"Semi circular scuff marks", as you described, do not happen by contact alone. No matter how fat or thin the connector. This has nothing to do with it.

Basically, to get these semi circular scuff marks it needs beside contact also movement. Just like with polishing nothing happens without a constant rotational or back-and-forth motion.

 

It's pretty much a given that this has nothing to do with holding a camera in your hands when shooting. Nor can it happen when the M10 is stored in a bag.

Most people carry their camera around the neck or across their body. In either case the camera rests against the wearer's body. Which puts it in a relative static position. Not much rubbing here either.

 

So, how does motion get into play?

I asked myself this question over and over. Then I remembered something you told me in one of your emails about your unique way of carrying your camera around.

The only way I can think of that adds motion to the mix, is carrying a camera over one shoulder only. Which is what you do.

 

Carrying a camera like this puts it in a non-stable, dangling position where it is constantly rocking back and forth and/or moving sideways.

 

Don't get me wrong, by itself this still shouldn't cause any harm. It's safe to say, you are not the only one who carries their camera in this fashion.

But if you add a few other things you told me to the occasion, like time – doing this for 5-6 hours a day, every day over a period of several (4?) weeks, then add bad weather conditions, the location you were for your test (on or near a beach – sand and salt water), and last but not least consider the fact that black chrome is not exactly the most robust finish to begin with, we might just have found an answer that makes sense.

 

Since we talked last, I received emails from customers who use my straps – with the thicker, 'fat' connector design – on their M10 cameras. None of them experienced so far any problems whatsoever. Including customers who received their M10 several months ago when it was first released.

True, one email wouldn't proof anything. But I have many now. And all are saying the same.

 

 

Best -Harry

 

 

 

Hello,

 

Just a comment that the original version strap does in fact create the rub marks and NOT after tons of use. I already have bright marks that will soon turn into paint wear. I carry my camera cross body most of the time when I am not holding the camera.

 

The new version of the HB straps are highly recommended. Issue resolved, beautiful straps.

[Eric1]

I want to get a strap for my M10 and wondered if anyone had any suggestions. Ive been looking at the Leica Rope Strap in collaboration with COOPH and some all leather ones. If anyone has tried out the Rope Strap is it pretty well made and great? Thanks for any suggestions.

[CJJon]

I really like Gordy's straps. I often am out on the street and it is the most stealthy strap you can have IMO. I wear it slung across my body so the camera sits on my hip just under the bottom of a jacket. I can also sling it around to my back pocket so the camera isn't visible from head on. The strap is so thin that it isn't noticed. The thin strap is also easy to sling around when I want to take a shot and easy to wrap around my wrist when I use it off-body. It's the strap that never gets in my way. 

 

I also use a Gordy's wrist strap sometimes depending on where I am going to shoot. Like resultants and other sit-down events where the longer strap isn't needed.

 

About the cheapest alternative too!

[Jeff S]

Another thread that will be merged here...

 

https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/268427-which-strap-for-the-m10-merged/page-1

 

Jeff

[jaapv]

Indeed

[jaapv]

Works perfectly...

 

 

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[hteasley]

https://www.flickr.com/photos/kentique/ I use a strap from Kentaro Yamada, many of which are featured in his Flickr steam. I like the way the camera hangs with his design. His straps are also very beautiful and well made.

 

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[M10Alpine]

I bought a few Premium straps from Mada 1432. They are very well made an super cheep at about 20 USD a pop, plus the bags they sell are also very nice and well made. Its a little hassel getting them to ship fast but they do offer custom sizes etc. I was very impressed with packaging and quality and friendly service. 

 

 

http://mada1432.net

Edited June 20, 2017 by Q116 - M10

[Bison]

Leica makes one - the best there is actually. Replacing a strap needs no tools and broken finger nails and is done within about 10-20 seconds.

 

It is a pit they ship the camera with a keyring leather strap it seems :-(

I hope this does not mean the end of the superior quick release Nylon straps, Leica offered for years.

You can still get those.

 

https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/30496-REG/Leica_14312_Carrying_Strap_with_Anti_Slip.html

 

They are sold as replacements for earlier M or R cameras.

[Bison]

What about the rope straps Leica is selling? No one seems to have mentioned those (or, I missed it).

 

While I very much like the leather strap that came with the M10, I would like one that is less stiff and I was thinking that the rope strap solution may be the way to go. My question, though, about those rope staps, is how well they stay on one's shoulder (I don't wear the camera around my neck)? The leather strap has some grip because, well, it's leather. Before the M10, I used Domke Gripper Straps on my cameras. I liked those, too. 

 

To be clear, this is what I'm referring to:

 

https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/1330196-REG/leica_19586_rope_strap_fire_100cm.html

 

Thanks.

[Hoppe]

I highly recommend straps from Barton 1972.

 

 

https://www.barton1972.com/whip-passion-red.html

[fatihayoglu]

What about the rope straps Leica is selling? No one seems to have mentioned those (or, I missed it).

 

While I very much like the leather strap that came with the M10, I would like one that is less stiff and I was thinking that the rope strap solution may be the way to go. My question, though, about those rope staps, is how well they stay on one's shoulder (I don't wear the camera around my neck)? The leather strap has some grip because, well, it's leather. Before the M10, I used Domke Gripper Straps on my cameras. I liked those, too. 

 

To be clear, this is what I'm referring to:

 

https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/1330196-REG/leica_19586_rope_strap_fire_100cm.html

 

Thanks.

 

I have this and using with my M10. I am using M10 leather strap which is quite nice actually with my film M-P

[albertknappmd]

I have tried a few over the years but LUIGI's are still my favorite. He adds a little piece of leather to prevent scratches and it is ideal for the M10. I prefer aged leather... Looks great and is softer...

Albert     

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[rramesh]

Don't understand this concern about rub marks from a strap. Wouldn't a cheap soft rubber or plastic washer (put first over lug before fixing strap) solve the issue?