6bit Posted February 4, 2017 Share #161 Posted February 4, 2017 Advertisement (gone after registration) I guess we will know soon enough about B and H shipment dates. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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adan Posted February 4, 2017 Share #162 Posted February 4, 2017 FWIW - I talked with my regional Leica rep today, and she is going to be allocated four M10s for February (2 black, 2 silver). For the Rocky Mtn. region of the US. Not sure which states that includes in total - definitely Utah, Colorado, Arizona. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
nitrox1 Posted February 5, 2017 Share #163 Posted February 5, 2017 I plan on preordering a black one from B&H in a week or two. Gotta add a couple more bucks to my PayPal account first. Anyone know if they charge the full amount or just a deposit on preorder. Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rambot-M Posted February 5, 2017 Share #164 Posted February 5, 2017 I plan on preordering a black one from B&H in a week or two. Gotta add a couple more bucks to my PayPal account first. Anyone know if they charge the full amount or just a deposit on preorder. Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk No payment for pre order. I have pre ordered through Adorama. Waiting.... Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
nitrox1 Posted February 5, 2017 Share #165 Posted February 5, 2017 Thank you! Guess I'll go do it now. Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
my997.2 Posted February 5, 2017 Share #166 Posted February 5, 2017 Thank you! Guess I'll go do it now. Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk When using paypal at b&h, they take the full amount upon ordering. That's what sucks- is full prepay while you wait! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
nitrox1 Posted February 5, 2017 Share #167 Posted February 5, 2017 Advertisement (gone after registration) Ahh ok. Thank you for that. Maybe I'll wait another couple weeks then. Take care guys, looking forward to being back in the Leica fold. I miss them. Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
scott kirkpatrick Posted February 5, 2017 Share #168 Posted February 5, 2017 When using paypal at b&h, they take the full amount upon ordering. That's what sucks- is full prepay while you wait! Since savings accounts are still paying .001% interest and checking accounts cost money, as long as you have the funds piled up, keeping a place in the line is a reasonable use for them. scott 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
M10shooting Posted February 5, 2017 Share #169 Posted February 5, 2017 So far the best result I have gotten on a pre-order list is Leica Store Las Vegas I'm number 8 for the black chrome and I placed my reservation today. Side note have any of you had luck finding a Leica 28mm Summaron F5.6 in stock? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
marcg Posted February 5, 2017 Share #170 Posted February 5, 2017 (edited) Strong words. This is a complicated issue. If there are n dealers and m "sophisticated" buyers who put an order in at each store with either no deposit or a fully refundable deposit, Leica will think it needs to produce n × m cameras to fulfill the backlog of demand, which would be disastrous for Leica. And also disastrous for Leica fans, because they'd end up stuffing the channel and risk putting Leica itself out of business, and perhaps also the dealers. Most of us want Leica dealers to exist. Most of us want Leica to continue to exist. Is this a perfectly efficient market? No. Is there some other way to manage all the competing interests in a way that seems more fair (to you)? Probably. Is this all so egregious that it merits calling shenanigans, er "market abuse?" Eh… Speaking more practically, it's an interesting question, whether it makes sense to get in line at a dealer that requires a non-refundable deposit. I would say "quite possibly," especially if you're not early in line. A lot of people will chose to not pay the non-refundable deposit, and therefore the wait should be shorter. Assuming cameras are fed to dealers in some sort of random-ish manner. Of course if everyone thinks that way, then there will be a problem. To understand the extent that people are willing to pay up front, you'd need some sort of model for who is in line. Yes they are strong words and I think that they are entirely appropriate . If it has to be a nonrefundable deposit that it would be far less abusive to say that we will take your deposit and for so long as we hold it and you don't have a camera, we will pay you interest on the deposit which will be paid by way of an appropriate reduction in the price of the camera . That way if you like, everyone's requirements have been met and all the outcomes that you have outlined in your post have been satisfied . Edited February 5, 2017 by marcg 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter H Posted February 5, 2017 Share #171 Posted February 5, 2017 If people would stop making multiple orders the majority of which they have no intention of honouring, the whole thing might be a lot more straightforward. 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
satureyes Posted February 5, 2017 Share #172 Posted February 5, 2017 Yes they are strong words and I think that they are entirely appropriate . If it has to be a nonrefundable deposit that it would be far less abusive to say that we will take your deposit and for so long as we hold it and you don't have a camera, we will pay you interest on the deposit which will be paid by way of an appropriate reduction in the price of the camera . That way if you like, everyone's requirements have been met and all the outcomes that you have outlined in your post have been satisfied . great idea! Or some sort of discount off an accessory - or hell.. perhaps leica would offer a free battery with every pre-order. I'd go as far as saying they could get the full amount of customers with a deal like this. People pay the full amount up front, get a free battery. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter H Posted February 5, 2017 Share #173 Posted February 5, 2017 great idea! Or some sort of discount off an accessory - or hell.. perhaps leica would offer a free battery with every pre-order. I'd go as far as saying they could get the full amount of customers with a deal like this. People pay the full amount up front, get a free battery. Bad idea in my opinion, since it penalises people who need to trade in their camera to help them afford a new one. Plus, it simply reduces the margin on the camera which will lead to higher prices. I'd prefer people to simply restrict themselves to one order each. No deposit required, every order fulfilled in the order in which it was made. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
satureyes Posted February 5, 2017 Share #174 Posted February 5, 2017 Bad idea in my opinion, since it penalises people who need to trade in their camera to help them afford a new one. Plus, it simply reduces the margin on the camera which will lead to higher prices. I'd prefer people to simply restrict themselves to one order each. No deposit required, every order fulfilled in the order in which it was made. I don't think it penalises. I traded in my camera and then paid the deposit on the new one. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter H Posted February 5, 2017 Share #175 Posted February 5, 2017 I don't think it penalises. I traded in my camera and then paid the deposit on the new one. Good, but some people only have one camera, and certainly only one digital M Leica, as is well recorded in this forum. What do they do, being without their camera for who knows how long? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
satureyes Posted February 5, 2017 Share #176 Posted February 5, 2017 Good, but some people only have one camera, and certainly only one digital M Leica, as is well recorded in this forum. What do they do, being without their camera for who knows how long? Well.. if you're selling your M then there is no way it will raise enough money to pay for a new M.. So you can still put a sizeable deposit down and then sell the camera later. For me I got 3100 for my camera, had I waited a few weeks longer the market gets swamped with used M240's and the trade in value drops, so speed is of the essence when a new M is released IMO. This still left a deficit of 2500 left to pay and I put 2000 as a deposit. I could have still had my M240 and suffered a lower resale value in a couple of months or whenever the M10 appears. If you are a working pro and need the M with you at all times then of course you are limited to when you can sell. In which case you'll be waiting the longest and suffer the lowest resale value for your kit. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
FrozenInTime Posted February 5, 2017 Share #177 Posted February 5, 2017 It's beyond me why Leica don't supply items based on a work order system : You place an order through a local dealer who gets a factory production slot assigned to your item. Progress towards delivery can then be tracked on-line. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter H Posted February 5, 2017 Share #178 Posted February 5, 2017 There are all sorts of possibilities that might work for and against some people. I'm just trying to think of a system that's as fair as possible to as many people as possible, and requiring a big deposit or even full prepayment, which the suggestion I was replying to, just doesn't seem the fairest. One person one order seems best to me. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
6bit Posted February 5, 2017 Share #179 Posted February 5, 2017 Just got off a live chat with B&H. I had a question about an order unrelated to the M10. I then asked if they knew when the M10 would be available and if not to split that order and ship the remaining items on the order to me. The agent responded they expect the stock in tomorrow, February 6. I left my order alone. :-) 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
satureyes Posted February 5, 2017 Share #180 Posted February 5, 2017 There are all sorts of possibilities that might work for and against some people. I'm just trying to think of a system that's as fair as possible to as many people as possible, and requiring a big deposit or even full prepayment, which the suggestion I was replying to, just doesn't seem the fairest. One person one order seems best to me. How would there be a list of names and someone to check they aren't on multiple lists? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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