Jennifer Posted January 16, 2017 Share #1 Posted January 16, 2017 Advertisement (gone after registration) I just started dipping my toe into printing some of my images using my new Epson SC-P800. I'm sure it's user incompetence, but although I've calibrated my iMac monitor with an x-rite i1 and am using the right paper profiles, my prints are coming out substantially darker than on screen. Can anyone offer me some advice? Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Exodies Posted January 16, 2017 Share #2 Posted January 16, 2017 Your screen must be too bright. I'm not sure how the print preview in Lightroom develop module knows what's going to happen in the print module. Doesn't the iMac adjust its brightness to the ambient light? I don't use Lightroom under the same lighting conditions as I view prints. (My problem is that prints are too yellow). Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
elmars Posted January 16, 2017 Share #3 Posted January 16, 2017 Most probably Your Monitor is too bright. Office Monitors like the iMac Monitor are mostly too bright and even the lowest brightness setting is too much. It should be not more than 120 cd. Elmar Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jennifer Posted January 16, 2017 Author Share #4 Posted January 16, 2017 Most probably Your Monitor is too bright. Office Monitors like the iMac Monitor are mostly too bright and even the lowest brightness setting is too much. It should be not more than 120 cd. Elmar I'd calibrated the monitor to 100 cd before printing Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jankap Posted January 16, 2017 Share #5 Posted January 16, 2017 (edited) Of course the judgement by eye is important, but there still is another measure. The "L" of LAB is the measure of the luminosity. So with the "curves" function of PS you can not only spread the picture from dark to light, but also adjust the general lightness. By the way "The picture postcard workflow" of Dan Margulis was very helpful for me. Jan Edited January 16, 2017 by jankap Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
dewittehd Posted January 16, 2017 Share #6 Posted January 16, 2017 I just started dipping my toe into printing some of my images using my new Epson SC-P800. I'm sure it's user incompetence, but although I've calibrated my iMac monitor with an x-rite i1 and am using the right paper profiles, my prints are coming out substantially darker than on screen. Can anyone offer me some advice? Hi Jennifer, You should also calibrate the printer. Jean Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted January 16, 2017 Share #7 Posted January 16, 2017 Advertisement (gone after registration) This is a fairly common problem. http://lightroomkillertips.com/presets-the-trick-to-getting-good-prints/ 3 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SilentShutter Posted January 16, 2017 Share #8 Posted January 16, 2017 The failure can be anywere in your workflow - but what means "to dark" either ? Which data format do you use and are there any profiles you use with ? Maybe this don´t match witch the printer settings too ? Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted January 17, 2017 Share #9 Posted January 17, 2017 (edited) I just started dipping my toe into printing some of my images using my new Epson SC-P800. I'm sure it's user incompetence, but although I've calibrated my iMac monitor with an x-rite i1 and am using the right paper profiles, my prints are coming out substantially darker than on screen. Can anyone offer me some advice? I used to have similar problems . I would sudgest you download a trial of Image Print 10. Saves me a lot of time,paper and easy to use. Very good paper profiles and you are working with the soft proof image on the screen so "what you see is what you get". A little expensive, but as a % of my total outlay on equipment not such a big number. The version for the P800 is a star performer. Jeff S put me on to the programme last year .He has posted many favourable comments on IP 10 on the forum. Worth looking at the revues on Luminous Landscape Lu La. Edited January 17, 2017 by Guest Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
thighslapper Posted January 17, 2017 Share #10 Posted January 17, 2017 I had similar issues printing from LR on my Epson 3880 and always had to adjust brightness up a notch or two. Since I shifted to Printao .... as I could never get the borders right from LR ...... images are now pretty close to what is on the screen and what I expect. No idea why. Anyway, it makes printing far less painful, even if at the expense of some flexibility...... Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Exodies Posted January 17, 2017 Share #11 Posted January 17, 2017 Can someone with both LR and Image Print display a picture using both in soft proof mode and tell us if the LR picture is brighter than the other one. If so, the IP should fix Jennifer's problem. If not then it won't. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted January 17, 2017 Share #12 Posted January 17, 2017 My problem is that Imageprint only supports Epson. I use Canon Printao only supports industrial Canon printers. :( Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted January 18, 2017 Share #13 Posted January 18, 2017 (edited) Can someone with both LR and Image Print display a picture using both in soft proof mode and tell us if the LR picture is brighter than the other one. If so, the IP should fix Jennifer's problem. If not then it won't.IP 10 will easily fix her,problem with the Epson printer she is using. Obviously the problem can be solved without it,it's just a more difficult and time consuming workflow from my perspective. As our America friends say ,Keep it Simple S-----They call it the KISS principle.As Jaapv correctly comments IP only works with Epson which again from my own perspective is not important as I have the Epson P800 which I am 200% happy with. Edited January 18, 2017 by Guest Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Exodies Posted January 18, 2017 Share #14 Posted January 18, 2017 Well, maybe. But is the IP soft proof darker than the LR soft proof on the same monitor? Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wyck Posted January 18, 2017 Share #15 Posted January 18, 2017 My problem is that Imageprint only supports Epson. I use Canon Printao only supports industrial Canon printers. :( Jaap, I think you'll find Imageprint are now starting to support Canon printers. I see they are listing the Canon Pro 1000 under their supported printers. https://www.colorbytesoftware.com/Ver10/supported_printers.shtml Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wyck Posted January 18, 2017 Share #16 Posted January 18, 2017 I now use Imageprint and wouldn't go back, mainly simplicity and I'm very happy with the results. I recall when I attended a printing workshop a few years ago that one of the settings in the print module should really be set to Dark as default and not Darker.. This can be found under the Advanced B&W Settings when using the advanced B&W driver. This may be worth taking a look. I used to find the Epson videos (John Sexton and Kim Weston) really helpful too. They also mentioned the above default should really be Dark and not Darker in the Advanced video. Unfortunately the videos appear to have vanished! This was the link to the news of the videos. Can anyone track them down? http://news.epson.com/news/epson-celebrates-the-black-and-white-print-with-new-video-series Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted January 18, 2017 Share #17 Posted January 18, 2017 (edited) I now use Imageprint and wouldn't go back, mainly simplicity and I'm very happy with the results. I recall when I attended a printing workshop a few years ago that one of the settings in the print module should really be set to Dark as default and not Darker.. This can be found under the Advanced B&W Settings when using the advanced B&W driver. This may be worth taking a look. I used to find the Epson videos (John Sexton and Kim Weston) really helpful too. They also mentioned the above default should really be Dark and not Darker in the Advanced video. Unfortunately the videos appear to have vanished! This was the link to the news of the videos. Can anyone track them down? http://news.epson.com/news/epson-celebrates-the-black-and-white-print-with-new-video-series The beauty of IP 10 is you can forget all about the Epson driver and everything to do with it. It transports the user from black art to modern art.Just makes for an easy life .Not every one will agree,but its all about opinions. If I manage to find those videos I will post a link. Edited January 18, 2017 by Guest Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wyck Posted January 18, 2017 Share #18 Posted January 18, 2017 I've found two of the videos (well there are 3 on this link but one doesn't work). http://www.johnpaulcaponigro.com/blog/11287/black-white-workflows-printing-dan-steinhardt-tony-corbell/ Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chuck Albertson Posted January 19, 2017 Share #19 Posted January 19, 2017 If you're printing from Lightroom, in the Print module check the Print Settings dialog (left side) for whether the printer is controlling (like with the Epson Advanced B&W driver) or if Lightroom is controlling. Make sure it matches up with the info in the box on the right side panel (which is either "Controlled by printer" or the profile you're using). If both are controlling the printing, problems crop up. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Exodies Posted January 19, 2017 Share #20 Posted January 19, 2017 Would some kind person please tell us if the soft proof in Lightroom and Imageprint are the same brightness (on the same screen) and if possible by how much they differ. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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