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#21 IWC Doppel

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Posted 03 September 2012 - 19:26

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Love the second shot. ;)

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Posted 04 September 2012 - 07:05

… M9-P with 1947 CZJ 50/2 Sonnar in Contax RF mount.
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Pete, I really like this photo - most beautiful rendering of the Sonnar as well!

Nice work Dirk. This is why I wanted you to buy the lens. I knew you'd make the most of it.

Rod

Rod, I cannot thank you enough for selling this lens to me (you know, I have been looking for one of these for a long time). It is indeed not an easy lens to master - it makes me feel very, very small, every time I shoot with it - needs a long time, to learn.
Recent use on a photo shoot made me cry, as I didn't perform to the lens' level and mis-focussed a lot (wasn't my day for such critical lenses).

The 'unknown girl' photo is absolutely brilliant Dirk. How big is the Nikkor 8.5/1.9 compared to the /2 version?


Thanks Philip - the 85/1.5 is about the same size and weight of a 75 Summilux - it is nominally a faster lens though + has the most beautiful Sonnar rendering, I have ever seen.
I can't compare it to the 80/2, as the last time I handled one, I can't remember about it's size. I only remember, that it was very hefty - probably not much lighter, than the 85/1.5, which is fine for me (I am used to shooting the 50/1)

Two examples from the last roll of Acros100 that I put through my (underused) IIIg and Elmar 5cm f3.5, both circa 1956/57. Really should take it out and about more often, after all it really is 'pocket-able'.

Beautiful! I am a big fan of the Elmar - a beautiful and very under appreciated lens - one of the greatest vintage lenses around!

Here is a coated Elmar 5cm on my M8.2, used by JC and photographed with Noctilux ƒ1 on M9:

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Posted 04 September 2012 - 07:10

The Noctilux ƒ1 was the one classic lens, that really broke the ice for me - on first sight I knew, I would love this lens and so it became, that I finally married my Noctilux ƒ1 recently …

JC - Noctilux ƒ1 + M9:

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Posted 04 September 2012 - 09:05

Pete, I really like this photo - most beautiful rendering of the Sonnar as well! ...

THank you, Dirk.:)

... the 85/1.5 ... has the most beautiful Sonnar rendering, I have ever seen. ...

Is the 85/1.5 a Sonnar? I'm not questioning your knowledge I just mentally had it tagged as an Ernostat.

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Posted 04 September 2012 - 10:47

THank you, Dirk.:)


Is the 85/1.5 a Sonnar? I'm not questioning your knowledge I just mentally had it tagged as an Ernostat.

Pete.


Yes, it is a Sonnar design - I love fast Sonnar lenses!
Here is another favorite Sonnar lens of mine - the Canon 100 f2 LTM from the late 60's:

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Posted 04 September 2012 - 18:01

The Noctilux ƒ1 was the one classic lens, that really broke the ice for me - on first sight I knew, I would love this lens and so it became, that I finally married my Noctilux ƒ1 recently …

JC - Noctilux ƒ1 + M9:

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Dirk,

Does you Noctilux have a Sister ;)
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Posted 04 September 2012 - 19:38

Great shots Alex. The 9cm Elmar is a perfect travel lens and stopped down it performs very well indeed. You've inspired me to use mine a bit more.



Wow is this sharp! Nice job. What body are you using?


Thank you both. I think both shots where with my M7 and a CV adapter

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Posted 04 September 2012 - 19:45

Great idea for a thread....wonderful photos so far.

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Posted 04 September 2012 - 22:48

Old lenses are all I shoot with - I can't afford the new models!

Leica M9 - f1.4/50mm Summilux lens, 1st version

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Posted 04 September 2012 - 22:51

Leica M9 - f1.4/50mm Summilux lens, 1st version

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Posted 04 September 2012 - 22:56

Leica M9 - f2/50mm Summicron lens - collapsible 1st version

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Posted 05 September 2012 - 05:14

Pete, I really like this photo - most beautiful rendering of the Sonnar as well!


Rod, I cannot thank you enough for selling this lens to me (you know, I have been looking for one of these for a long time). It is indeed not an easy lens to master - it makes me feel very, very small, every time I shoot with it - needs a long time, to learn.
Recent use on a photo shoot made me cry, as I didn't perform to the lens' level and mis-focussed a lot (wasn't my day for such critical lenses).



Thanks Philip - the 85/1.5 is about the same size and weight of a 75 Summilux - it is nominally a faster lens though + has the most beautiful Sonnar rendering, I have ever seen.
I can't compare it to the 80/2, as the last time I handled one, I can't remember about it's size. I only remember, that it was very hefty - probably not much lighter, than the 85/1.5, which is fine for me (I am used to shooting the 50/1)


Beautiful! I am a big fan of the Elmar - a beautiful and very under appreciated lens - one of the greatest vintage lenses around!

Here is a coated Elmar 5cm on my M8.2, used by JC and photographed with Noctilux ƒ1 on M9:

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You're welcome Dirk. I can understand your pain when you had a bad day with it. It's not an easy lens as you said. I think the Noctilux is a lot easier. I also had trouble with the Summilux 75. I like fast lenses because I shoot a lot of low light but the longer fast lenses are a lot more difficult in low light than 50's, at least for me.

As for the size/weight difference from the 85/2, the 85/1.5 is fatter but there isn't much weight difference. I have an 85/2 which I've had since long before the 85/1.5. It's much easier to use on an M.

Nice work with the Noct Dirk.

Rod
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Posted 05 September 2012 - 05:37

Visiting Toronto and did a few shots using this Cooke Double Speed 24mm f2 + M-M.

I am finding this is such a great combinatioin. The M-Mono is offering a great platform for this old Cooke lens to perform.......

Hope you guys likes these snap shots...

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Posted 05 September 2012 - 07:53

Dirk,

Does you Noctilux have a Sister


Mine doesn't, but believe me, if there would be a sister, I would keep her for myself for sure :D (in fact, I am getting a bit paranoid and look for a redundant, old user condition Noctilux ƒ1, as those prices keep creeping …).

Leica M9 - f2/50mm Summicron lens - collapsible 1st version…

I think, I have seen her face before - am I mistaken? RFF?


Nice work with the Noct Dirk.

Rod

Thanks Rod - I hear you about the difference in shooting the 50/1 vs super fast longer lenses, but I love them all!

Here is more of JC with the Noctilux ƒ1:

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… and something very rare for me - color!
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Posted 05 September 2012 - 14:38

Very moody by Noctilux ƒ1....very nice. :)
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Posted 05 September 2012 - 15:30

Few shots taken this morning at my back yard~~~

Ross Xpress 3" f1.9 + S2 body~~~

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Posted 05 September 2012 - 16:06

What a great thread.

I have "Photographic Lenses", Neblette and Morgan, 1965 edition.

The Nikkor 8.5cm F1.5 shares a common formula with the Zeiss 8.5cm F2, and is a 7-element in 3 group classic Sonnar formula lens. The Jupiter-9 has the same formula. The Nikkor 8.5cm F2, Nikkor 10.5cm F2.5, and Post-war Zeiss Opton 85/2 are much different- 5 elements in 3 groups.The Canon 85/1.5 is a double-Gauss and has the same optical formula as the 5cm f1.5 Simlar: 7 elements in 4 groups, 1-3-2-1 configuration. The Simlar took the front doublet of a Planar and split it into a triplet.

The Canon 100/2 is shown as a 6 element in 5 group lens, 1-1-1-2-1. As shown, it is based on a Planar, with the front doublet made with a thin "air element", would give similar optical properties to the Canon 85/1.5. I've never taken the 100/2 apart, but can confirm that the Canon 85/2 is a double-Gauss lens in a classic 1-2-2-1 configuration.

This book is worth searching for on Ebay and other places. It is also helpful when taking lenses apart for cleaning. Gives some insight into what to expect.

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Posted 05 September 2012 - 16:28

What a great thread.

I have "Photographic Lenses", Neblette and Morgan, 1965 edition.

The Nikkor 8.5cm F1.5 shares a common formula with the Zeiss 8.5cm F2, and is a 7-element in 3 group classic Sonnar formula lens. The Jupiter-9 has the same formula. The Nikkor 8.5cm F2, Nikkor 10.5cm F2.5, and Post-war Zeiss Opton 85/2 are much different- 5 elements in 3 groups.The Canon 85/1.5 is a double-Gauss and has the same optical formula as the 5cm f1.5 Simlar: 7 elements in 4 groups, 1-3-2-1 configuration. The Simlar took the front doublet of a Planar and split it into a triplet.

The Canon 100/2 is shown as a 6 element in 5 group lens, 1-1-1-2-1. As shown, it is based on a Planar, with the front doublet made with a thin "air element", would give similar optical properties to the Canon 85/1.5. I've never taken the 100/2 apart, but can confirm that the Canon 85/2 is a double-Gauss lens in a classic 1-2-2-1 configuration.

This book is worth searching for on Ebay and other places. It is also helpful when taking lenses apart for cleaning. Gives some insight into what to expect.



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Posted 05 September 2012 - 17:14

@ JeffoJeffo - beautiful look! I would love, to give that combo a try with portraits!

Brian - you are priceless in getting all things to know about those old lenses - I am just organizing my own little workshop, I negotiated with my head of financials … just today did a big order in some special tools, I was missing and some workshop furniture ;-)

Rod, here is another one for you - Nikkor 85 ƒ1.5 LTM Nº266081, stopped down to ƒ2 (I am still experimenting with some color conversions, as I usually shoot exclusively in B&W, so here goes with this early 1950's king of 85mm Sonnar lenses - haha:

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Posted 05 September 2012 - 18:06

Dirk, please post some average images so that I don't feel quite so envious.

Seriously good stuff as always ! Damn it, I've been resisting a noctilux f1 and then this thread springs up...
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