logan2z Posted July 10, 2021 Share #4421 Posted July 10, 2021 Advertisement (gone after registration) 44 minutes ago, Steven said: You can. Do tell. I've spoken to one of the largest Leica dealers in the US who told me you can't. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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roelandinho Posted July 10, 2021 Share #4422 Posted July 10, 2021 2 hours ago, wattsy said: I doubt I've removed the lens from the body more than a couple of times this year so it probably wouldn't cause me much bother if Leica glued it on. The 28 Summaron is a nice lens for sure, but I’d be afraid in the dark if it was literally glued to the camera. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
logan2z Posted July 10, 2021 Share #4423 Posted July 10, 2021 2 hours ago, Steven said: I get different answers from different people. When I call Leica in Germany, some people say you can, others say you can't. But those who still accept the A La Carte program will also accept to do it on a "new purchase". It just takes a few months longer. Except over a year for an A La Carte camera. I don't know any US dealers who still accept the a la carte program. Are you referring to people at Leica Germany who still do? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff S Posted July 10, 2021 Share #4424 Posted July 10, 2021 12 minutes ago, Steven said: But just to clarify, my earlier comment about getting an A La Carte camera straight out of factory was based on assumptions. Someone posted a link to the US page for A La Carte program. So I assumed that A La Carte was still a thing in the US. And I just wanted to remind that when the A La Carte program was an official offer from Leica, you could do it on a used camera, as well as on a new special order. It just took a long time. https://www.reddotforum.com/content/2019/06/leica-discontinuing-m-a-la-carte-program/ Jeff Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
logan2z Posted July 11, 2021 Share #4425 Posted July 11, 2021 2 hours ago, Jeff S said: https://www.reddotforum.com/content/2019/06/leica-discontinuing-m-a-la-carte-program/ Jeff Right, long discontinued. That's why I mentioned the new(er) "Redesign" program. But that doesn't allow for a new camera to be ordered with black paint, just an old camera to be returned to the factory for 'redesign' - which can include conversion to black paint. The whole thing seems rather silly to me. If you can 'redesign' an older camera, why can't you 'design' a new camera? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
logan2z Posted July 11, 2021 Share #4426 Posted July 11, 2021 3 hours ago, Steven said: I called them 10 times this spring to ask them to convert an M7 to Black Paint via the A La Carte program. The first 9 times, they said A La Carte was a thing of the past. On the tenth try, they gave up and sent me a quote. If you really want it, you can have it... Convert an existing M7? That would seem to be covered by the current 'Redesign' program. So I don't know why it would take 10 phone calls to make that happen. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff S Posted July 11, 2021 Share #4427 Posted July 11, 2021 Advertisement (gone after registration) Might simply be a numbers game. The 'redesign' program seems to be facilitated by the repair department, not part of nor an offshoot of the normal production line. I suspect that with all the new products Leica has introduced in recent years, this is something they keep under the radar and not market broadly. It could also be that not everyone at Leica is well informed about the 'redesign' options; rather just aware of the a la carte program discontinuation. Or Steven may not have talked with the same person all 10 times, finally getting lucky on the last call. Jeff Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
logan2z Posted July 11, 2021 Share #4428 Posted July 11, 2021 Ok, so just to summarize: There is no way to order a new black paint M-A from the factory. And if you talk to enough people at the factory you might find one who is aware of the Redesign program and will accept an older camera in for conversion to black paint. I still don't understand why you can convert a camera to black paint but can't order one with black paint in the first place. One of life's great mysteries Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Helge Posted July 11, 2021 Share #4429 Posted July 11, 2021 That seems not to be completely true. Here (Germany) the black paint M-A still available for online order (2-5 days delivery) as well as for pick-up at the Leica Store Wetzlar. However I have to admit that it is at back order at most of the other stores. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pedaes Posted July 11, 2021 Share #4430 Posted July 11, 2021 22 minutes ago, logan2z said: Redesign program and will accept an older camera in for conversion to black paint. https://us.leica-camera.com/Photography/Leica-M/M-System-Service/Redesign Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pedaes Posted July 11, 2021 Share #4431 Posted July 11, 2021 8 minutes ago, Helge said: Here (Germany) the black paint M-A still available for online order (2-5 days delivery) as well as for pick-up at the Leica Store Wetzlar. Is this fact - you can order a BP M-A to collect at the Wetzlar store? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
logan2z Posted July 11, 2021 Share #4432 Posted July 11, 2021 4 minutes ago, pedaes said: https://us.leica-camera.com/Photography/Leica-M/M-System-Service/Redesign Not sure what you're trying to say. I mentioned the Redesign program earlier in this thread and provided a link to it. That program does not allow one to order a new M-A in black paint. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
logan2z Posted July 11, 2021 Share #4433 Posted July 11, 2021 3 minutes ago, pedaes said: Is this fact - you can order a BP M-A to collect at the Wetzlar store? If true, that's news to me. I've emailed Leica and asked. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pedaes Posted July 11, 2021 Share #4434 Posted July 11, 2021 3 minutes ago, logan2z said: Not sure what you're trying to say. I mentioned the Redesign program earlier in this thread and provided a link to it. That program does not allow one to order a new M-A in black paint. Sorry, missed your link. Not trying to say anything> Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
logan2z Posted July 11, 2021 Share #4435 Posted July 11, 2021 4 minutes ago, pedaes said: Sorry, missed your link. Not trying to say anything> 🙂 ok 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Helge Posted July 11, 2021 Share #4436 Posted July 11, 2021 vor 13 Minuten schrieb pedaes: Is this fact - you can order a BP M-A to collect at the Wetzlar store? I didn‘t try it myself but that’s what the German web page says. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff S Posted July 11, 2021 Share #4437 Posted July 11, 2021 41 minutes ago, logan2z said: I still don't understand why you can convert a camera to black paint but can't order one with black paint in the first place. Post #4436… they may not want a lot of people doing this…other production priorities and/or a desire to keep the black paint versions more exclusive. Seems as though they will do it for some, but not in great numbers and without fanfare. Jeff Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
logan2z Posted July 11, 2021 Share #4438 Posted July 11, 2021 (edited) 5 minutes ago, Helge said: I didn‘t try it myself but that’s what the German web page says. Are you sure? This page on the German site say it's available in black or silver chrome only. I don't see a black paint option. https://store.leica-camera.com/de/de/leica-m-a-typ-127-schwarz-verchromt Edited July 11, 2021 by logan2z Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
logan2z Posted July 11, 2021 Share #4439 Posted July 11, 2021 4 minutes ago, Jeff S said: Seems as though they will do it for some, but not in great numbers and without fanfare. I guess that's possible. If anything, I'd think that the M-A makes more sense in black paint than the MP given that it's the closet camera in the lineup to the 'classic' Leica film cameras. I may just pick up an M3 and send it to Kanto Camera for the transformation. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Helge Posted July 11, 2021 Share #4440 Posted July 11, 2021 vor 4 Minuten schrieb logan2z: Are you sure? This page on the German site say it's available in black or silver chrome only. I don't see a black paint option. https://store.leica-camera.com/de/de/leica-m-a-typ-127-schwarz-verchromt Uups, sorry, my fault you are right 😳 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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