jaapv Posted September 17, 2016 Author Share #61 Posted September 17, 2016 Advertisement (gone after registration) Leica will work with whatever company fits the need, but their main cooperation is with Panasonic AFAIK. I do not think they have used Fuji sensors since the original Digilux. They have been sourcing sensors from Sony, Kodak+successors, Sony again, Cmosis/STMicro (independent) and probably Towerjazz (Israel, Panasonic affiliated). Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Robert M Poole Posted September 17, 2016 Share #62 Posted September 17, 2016 Well if Leica are working with Fuji on this, I wonder if they might be looking at/are using Fuji sensors?I love my Fuji cameras, their lenses are fantastic and the xtrans sensors are fantastic. They don't make full frame sensors though and have stated they have no interest in doing so. Though aren't the sensors made by Sony now? Sent from my E6653 using Tapatalk Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted September 17, 2016 Author Share #63 Posted September 17, 2016 [...] Though aren't the sensors made by Sony now? Sent from my E6653 using Tapatalk Depends on which camera you are talking about. The X series uses Sony sensors. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robert M Poole Posted September 17, 2016 Share #64 Posted September 17, 2016 Depends on which camera you are talking about. The X series uses Sony sensors.Yes, I was talking about the X series. Sent from my E6653 using Tapatalk Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjh Posted September 17, 2016 Share #65 Posted September 17, 2016 Well if Leica are working with Fuji on this, I wonder if they might be looking at/are using Fuji sensors? If I remember correctly, Fuji has sold its sensor fabs to Toshiba. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter H Posted September 17, 2016 Share #66 Posted September 17, 2016 When camera companies like Leica and Fuji buy their sensors from Sony, to what extent can they specify the sensor, or do they buy from a standard list as determined by Sony? There's obviously (or presumably) a lot that goes on over and above the sensor design that produces differences between different camera outputs, but do they start with the same mass-produced sensors or are they custom-built? Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted September 17, 2016 Author Share #67 Posted September 17, 2016 Advertisement (gone after registration) It depends, Leica sensors are usually modified at the least. I have heard that they attempted to buy the 240 sensor from Sony, and moved to Cmosis when Sony couldn't (wouldn't?) comply with Leica's specification. The M8/9 sensor was a Kodak offering with a special microlens/filter stack. 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
stefans4 Posted September 17, 2016 Share #68 Posted September 17, 2016 If I remember correctly, Fuji has sold its sensor fabs to Toshiba. Are they perhaps included in the recent deal Toshiba --> Sony? http://www.sony.net/SonyInfo/News/Press/201512/15-1204E/ Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjh Posted September 17, 2016 Share #69 Posted September 17, 2016 (edited) When camera companies like Leica and Fuji buy their sensors from Sony, to what extent can they specify the sensor, or do they buy from a standard list as determined by Sony? You can either get an off-the-shelf design or a bespoke sensor – the latter would be more costly of course. Fuji mostly uses custom designs with their own X-Trans colour filter array. As far as I can tell, Leica uses standard issue sensors in their X line, as does Fuji in the X-A models. Edited September 17, 2016 by mjh 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjh Posted September 17, 2016 Share #70 Posted September 17, 2016 Are they perhaps included in the recent deal Toshiba --> Sony? http://www.sony.net/SonyInfo/News/Press/201512/15-1204E/ Could be, but the original deal between Fuji and Toshiba (in 2007 or thereabouts) did concern CCDs only and I’m not sure how relevant these are these days. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trev Posted September 17, 2016 Share #71 Posted September 17, 2016 Hubba Bubba. I'm in. Gonna be 2 of these in my house at Christmas. It'll get my wife taking pictures of the Grandchildren. Can only be a good thing. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robert M Poole Posted September 17, 2016 Share #72 Posted September 17, 2016 Hubba Bubba. I'm in. Gonna be 2 of these in my house at Christmas. It'll get my wife taking pictures of the Grandchildren. Can only be a good thing.Why don't you buy the Fuji version? Cheaper and retro styling blows the Leica badged one away Sent from my E6653 using Tapatalk Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
plasticman Posted September 17, 2016 Share #73 Posted September 17, 2016 retro styling blows the Leica badged one away You're talking about your own personal taste in design. I find the parody retro styling of the Fuji Instax toy-like and embarrassing: whenever I see it I expect it to shoot water out of the lens like a joke camera. I really like the styling of the Sofort. Maybe strip away just a couple of details and the 70s look could be a Dieter Rams camera. 3 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robert M Poole Posted September 17, 2016 Share #74 Posted September 17, 2016 You're talking about your own personal taste in design. I find the parody retro styling of the Fuji Instax toy-like and embarrassing: whenever I see it I expect it to shoot water out of the lens like a joke camera. I really like the styling of the Sofort. Maybe strip away just a couple of details and the 70s look could be a Dieter Rams camera. You're right of course, just my personal taste. I don't find the Fuji toy like or embarrassing. I find Leica rebranding other companies cameras embarrassing though. Sent from my E6653 using Tapatalk 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Geschlecht Posted September 17, 2016 Share #75 Posted September 17, 2016 Hello Everybody, As has been mentioned previously in this Thread: This may be an April Fool's Day joke in September. Which may or may not have some other purpose. Best Regards, Michael Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trev Posted September 18, 2016 Share #76 Posted September 18, 2016 Why don't you buy the Fuji version? Cheaper and retro styling blows the Leica badged one away Sent from my E6653 using Tapatalk You're probably right Robert. But to me there's great value in persuading my wife that a Leica is a good thing....get me..? Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
david strachan Posted September 18, 2016 Share #77 Posted September 18, 2016 There's room for everyone. And everyone to have fun with photography, with all sorts of cameras. Camera innovation is what has kept Leica alive. cheers.. 3 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robert M Poole Posted September 18, 2016 Share #78 Posted September 18, 2016 There's room for everyone. And everyone to have fun with photography, with all sorts of cameras. Camera innovation is what has kept Leica alive. cheers.. I like the idea that Leica is moving intonew fields but sticking a Fuji in a new box and charging three times the price is not innovation. Sent from my E6653 using Tapatalk 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robert M Poole Posted September 18, 2016 Share #79 Posted September 18, 2016 You're probably right Robert. But to me there's great value in persuading my wife that a Leica is a good thing....get me..?Anything that gets people taking pictures has got to be a good thing, just don't tell her that the Fuji is cheaper! Sent from my E6653 using Tapatalk Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaapv Posted September 18, 2016 Author Share #80 Posted September 18, 2016 There's room for everyone. And everyone to have fun with photography, with all sorts of cameras. Camera innovation is what has kept Leica alive. cheers.. Rebadging is not innovation. 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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