24mm Shift lens for architecture ?

[cirke]

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Which (best as possible)  24mm Shift lens for architecture  on the SL ? 

thanks to all

Edited July 5, 2016 by erick

[FlashGordonPhotography]

I don't have it, but I would think the Canon EF 24mm TSEII would be the benchmark, with the Novoflex EF>SL adaptor. I have the 17TSE and 45TSE and they're both fantastic. The Nikon 24mm is also very good. I have the 85mm Nikon PC that I use on my SL with excellent results and it can use any decent adaptor (I go Nikon to M and M to TL)

 

Lens rentals did a comparison of three 24mm TSE lenses. The Canon Nikon and Samyang. Worth a read. www.lensrentals.com

 

Gordon

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[cirke]

Thanks a lot Gordon

Then I'll go for the Canon EF 24mm TSEII  if I buy the SL  (after Photokina)

 

thanks for the link

[wlaidlaw]

I think the other one to consider would be the 28mm f2.8 Super Angulon R. The advantage of this is with the R to M and M to T/L adapters or at some later point, the R to T/L adapter, this lens would be recognised/menu selectable by the SL. It is a long time since I used this lens but my memory is that it was very good indeed. The lenses I would avoid are the Hartblei Super Rotators. I have the 80mm and the resolving power of the optics is just not good enough for modern high pixel full frame sensors and also the contrast is too low to trigger focus peaking at all. At least with the SL you can select your focus zoom point unlike the M240, so it is possible to get the tilt angle spot on for Scheimpflug correction. The only advantage of the Super Rotators are that you can tilt or shift in any plane, even diagonally. 

 

Wilson

[AndreasAM]

I think the other one to consider would be the 28mm f2.8 Super Angulon R. The advantage of this is with the R to M and M to T/L adapters or at some later point, the R to T/L adapter, this lens would be recognised/menu selectable by the SL. It is a long time since I used this lens but my memory is that it was very good indeed. The lenses I would avoid are the Hartblei Super Rotators. I have the 80mm and the resolving power of the optics is just not good enough for modern high pixel full frame sensors and also the contrast is too low to trigger focus peaking at all. At least with the SL you can select your focus zoom point unlike the M240, so it is possible to get the tilt angle spot on for Scheimpflug correction. The only advantage of the Super Rotators are that you can tilt or shift in any plane, even diagonally. 

 

Wilson

 

Be warned, the 28mm/f2.8 Super-Angulon-R is only a shift lens, no tilt available. It was originally made by Schneider.

Shift is up (or down) to 11 mm, although I wouldn't go further than 9 mm. in portrait mode, to prevent Colour Shift. But perhaps this is now mitigated with the SL and the included profile. I have the lens but not yet the SL, so I don't have experience with this combo. Weighs about 800 gr., so tripod use recommended for critical sharpness.

 

That all said, the results with this lens can be quite satisfactory. Used it for years on a R6.2 and R7. 

 

 

But if you are going to invest in a T/S lens for architecture I would first recommend the 17 mm. T/S-E version II from Canon. It is a more versatile lens with better quality (also than the Canon TSE 24 mm. as I am told). Not much more expensive than the Super Angulon at today's prices. 

Edited July 12, 2016 by AndreasAM

[rriley]

Be warned, the 28mm/f2.8 Super-Angulon-R is only a shift lens, no tilt available. It was originally made by Schneider.

Shift is up (or down) to 11 mm, although I wouldn't go further than 9 mm. in portrait mode, to prevent Colour Shift. But perhaps this is now mitigated with the SL and the included profile. I have the lens but not yet the SL, so I don't have experience with this combo. Weighs about 800 gr., so tripod use recommended for critical sharpness.

 

That all said, the results with this lens can be quite satisfactory. Used it for years on a R6.2 and R7. 

 

 

But if you are going to invest in a T/S lens for architecture I would first recommend the 17 mm. T/S-E version II from Canon. It is a more versatile lens with better quality (also than the Canon TSE 24 mm. as I am told). Not much more expensive than the Super Angulon at today's prices. 

 

 

I recently bought the Canon 17mm TS and sold a 28 mm f2.8 Super-Angulon-R and am very happy with the result.  The Super-Angulon is very sharp but the quality of the Canon is also excellent and the movements, including the ability to rotate the entire front element of the lens, make it much more useful and this focal length has been more useful for my work than the 28mm. I have the other Canon TS lenses, except for the 24mm, and never use them.

[wlaidlaw]

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Isn't the 17mm very wide for architectural use? I used to use a Zeiss Biogon ZM25 for yacht interiors and found that wide enough. It is very rectilinear, which saves me fiddling about with optical correction profiles on Capture one or with transform in Photoshop. I usually took the 18mm SEM with me but ended up rarely using it. If I was still doing Yacht interiors, I would serious consider either the 28 Super Angulon-R or the 24mm TS Canon. For this use, you don't really need the tilt but just the shift. 

 

Wilson

[rriley]

Isn't the 17mm very wide for architectural use? 

 

It depends on the subject!  

It's not wide enough for some interiors and I have had to use the Canon CN-E 14mm.

[Giulio Zanni]

The Canon 17 T/S and 24 MkII T/S are the best T/S lenses for 35mm cameras.

[Jeff S]

I think the other one to consider would be the 28mm f2.8 Super Angulon R. The advantage of this is with the R to M and M to T/L adapters or at some later point, the R to T/L adapter, this lens would be recognised/menu selectable by the SL.

 

The Canon T/S lenses can be adapted to the SL..  http://www.l-camera-forum.com/leica-news/2016/05/novoflex-leica-sl-canon-eos-af-adapter/

 

Jeff

[HeinzX]

I had a TS-E 17 and used it on my 5 D III and adapted on the M 240. The lens is very, very good if a 17 mm is necessary. For me some porposes even the 17 mm were not wide enough, as I do a lot of architecture photography even in small roads in my city. Therefore I have switched to a Canon 11/24 - not tilt and no shift but for me more useful and great for landscape too. As far to my knowledge it should work fine together with my new SL - but I have not yet got the adapter. The 17 TS-E  and the 24 TS-E are both excellent - the 17 is more extreme  but often necessary. Both lenses can be used with the automatic exposure as long as not shift or tilt is used. If tilt/shift is used, the exposure value must be measured without tilt/shift and applied manuelly afterwards to avoid wrong exposure values.

[wlaidlaw]

The Canon T/S lenses can be adapted to the SL..  http://www.l-camera-forum.com/leica-news/2016/05/novoflex-leica-sl-canon-eos-af-adapter/

 

Jeff

 

Agreed and in fact you don't need the expensive active adapter as these lenses, I think, are both manual focus. The far cheaper Fotodiox EOS to M should do (plus an M to T/L). The point I was making on the 28 Super Angulon, is that it can be recognised by the SL on the R lens menu selection, which may have some benefits. 

[cirke]

Tilt is not necessary for architecture , only shift

I prefer a 24mm , as I said I have already owned the 24 ts-e version 1 and version 2

 

Thanks to all

 

 

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[dkCambridgeshire]

Using the Leica STA 1 1436 lens collar / tripod foot with the Novoflex SL/EOS adapter and Canon 24mm T&S Mk II lens thus providing better balance and less strain on the SL camera's lens mount:

 

http://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/260310-ef-lenes-for-sl/?p=3078824

 

 

dunk

[Giulio Zanni]

Agreed and in fact you don't need the expensive active adapter as these lenses, I think, are both manual focus. The far cheaper Fotodiox EOS to M should do (plus an M to T/L). The point I was making on the 28 Super Angulon, is that it can be recognised by the SL on the R lens menu selection, which may have some benefits. 

 

 

I wanted to get a 28mm PC to use with my M but the filters for that lens are nowhere to be found, especially ND filters

[wlaidlaw]

I wanted to get a 28mm PC to use with my M but the filters for that lens are nowhere to be found, especially ND filters

 

Have you tried some of the UK Leica gear specialists such as Peter Loy, Peter Walnes and Ffordes. Foto Huppert in Germany keep a very wide range of filters. I bought a new old stock Rodenstock 82mm circular polariser from Peter Walnes for use on my SL lenses at just over £40. 

 

Wilson

[Giulio Zanni]

Have you tried some of the UK Leica gear specialists such as Peter Loy, Peter Walnes and Ffordes. Foto Huppert in Germany keep a very wide range of filters. I bought a new old stock Rodenstock 82mm circular polariser from Peter Walnes for use on my SL lenses at just over £40. 

 

Wilson

While searching on the web I just found out that the 67-77 B+W step-up ring will work on the Schneider lens, so I assume it will also work on the Leica

[FlashGordonPhotography]

Agreed and in fact you don't need the expensive active adapter as these lenses, I think, are both manual focus. The far cheaper Fotodiox EOS to M should do (plus an M to T/L). The point I was making on the 28 Super Angulon, is that it can be recognised by the SL on the R lens menu selection, which may have some benefits. 

 

You do if you want aperture control. Certainly you can lock off an aperture using "the trick" with a Canon body but I need more control than that. The Novoflex adaptor makes it like using a native lens. When you've spent A$13.5K on the body and 17mm TSE, another A$690 to make them fully compatible is nothing.

 

I'm leaning toward getting a 24mm TSE myself. I wouldn't use it as much as the 17mm, which I use most days of the week but it would be handy as I occasionally swap out to a WATE or the 24-90. I also carry a Samyang (Rokinon) 14mm for when I need really wide. It needs profile correction for it's bizarre distortion but it's very very sharp. I considered the 11-24 but it's huge and expensive. I'd rather have the 17/24 combo for a couple of hundred more.

 

I think the Nikon 24mm PCE still has mechanical aperture available (I'd have to check) but it's more expensive here and I already have the Novoflex SL>EOS adaptor.

 

For those who haven't seen the new Novoflex AF adaptor and wondering if it's the solution for using TS lenses on the SL, the answer is a resounding YES.

 

Gordon

[FlashGordonPhotography]

Samples of the 17mmTSE on the SL

 

160629HillsGosford-5.jpg by Gordon Cahill, on Flickr

 

160629HillsGosford-6.jpg by Gordon Cahill, on Flickr

 

Gordon

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[FlashGordonPhotography]

Well, I just won an ebay auction for a mint 24mm TSE II. I get it mid next week. I'll let you know what I think after I receive it, although I'm sure I'm going to be pleased. For what I do the 17mm will always be more useful (I occasionally go much wider 12 or 14mm) but it'll allow me to take advantage when I have a bit more working room.

 

Gordon