adli Posted March 14, 2016 Author Share #21 Posted March 14, 2016 Advertisement (gone after registration) My current Mac Pro has been performing good for almost six years. A laptop will never last that long, usually they are replaceable after three years. keep all your data files off the internal drive, use a mobile drive and a get a larger one to sit at home -- two back ups. Computer will run a lot faster that way. Buy the top end macbook pro, this is what i just got, and it is great (finally ended using my 17" mac book pro from 2009): 15-inch MacBook Pro with Retina display 2.5GHz Quad-core Intel Core i7, Turbo Boost up to 3.7GHz 16GB 1600MHz DDR3L SDRAM 512GB PCIe-based Flash Storage Intel Iris Pro Graphics + AMD Radeon R9 M370X with 2GB GDDR5 memory Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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sblitz Posted March 14, 2016 Share #22 Posted March 14, 2016 My current Mac Pro has been performing good for almost six years. A laptop will never last that long, usually they are replaceable after three years. Agreed. My 17" MacBook Pro was purchased in 2009 and still works just fine. I replaced the hard drive to put in a bigger one a few years back. I got the new one because I wanted something lighter and faster. New one works like lightning using Captureone 9 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
CheshireCat Posted March 14, 2016 Share #23 Posted March 14, 2016 practically a super computer. Certainly more than enough for Lightroom! It is never enough I would say get the best video card you can. Current software might not utilize them optimally...but I bought this machine for the future. They are working on improving....Photoshop is now 10-bit! I am sorry, but buying a computer for the future has always been delusional. You only buy a computer for the present. The 10-bit thing is overhyped, never seen it working. Apart from the right GPU, you also need the right drivers, the right apps, and the right display. Besides, 8-bit dithering can simulate 10-bit quite good. At the moment, I would invest in a UHD wide-color gamut display instead. That really makes the difference. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pico Posted March 14, 2016 Share #24 Posted March 14, 2016 Questions: I'm ignorant of LR. Does it do its own page management as Photoshop 5 does? In the old days it was recommended that we use a few scratch disks in order to take advantage of overlap seeks. Is that no longer true due to SSDs? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
CheshireCat Posted March 14, 2016 Share #25 Posted March 14, 2016 Questions: I'm ignorant of LR. Does it do its own page management as Photoshop 5 does? In the old days it was recommended that we use a few scratch disks in order to take advantage of overlap seeks. Is that no longer true due to SSDs? In current times of 64-bit processes and plenty of RAM, scratch disk should never be used (add RAM if needed !). Nevertheless, Photoshop still supports them in case things don't fit into RAM. While modern OS have pretty efficient VM handlers, they are not optimized for graphics (tiles), hence the need for custom memory management. Since the many problem with VM is random access speed, a SSD really makes the difference. So use a SSD for scratch even if it is the one in which the OS is installed. If you have no SSD, then using a different disk than your OS disk is better. Lightroom also has its caches, but seems to me that they are not as critical as in Photoshop. They are used to remember "development" in previous images, so the caches are used even if you have plenty of RAM. Same as above applies, though. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
tobey bilek Posted March 19, 2016 Share #26 Posted March 19, 2016 RAM is used when computational calculations can not be stored on main drive, mainly because it is too full. Store your files on an external disk and bring in files to main drive only to work on them and then move them back . A few folders is fine. Remember how nicely it ran when new. This keeps it this way. The external becomes your "cloud". I have an air that I take to jobs, 125 ssd and 8 gb ram. It handles PS , bridge, LR very well. It was the least expensive air I could buy and I upgraded RAM 4>8 special order. If you want an external monitor, I love my 27" EIZO Photo model. $2000 and worth every penny. It self calibrates after the first time. I do not do a lot of color correction by eye as it is most unreliable. MacBeth color checker or Whi Bal Card. Current job is a church directory. I set camera , Nikons, to a grey card WB with my studio lights. Then I shoot JPEG + raw and have not needed any color correction at all. I do some levels , clarity and maybe a slight contrast curve. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sanyasi Posted March 19, 2016 Share #27 Posted March 19, 2016 Advertisement (gone after registration) I have a late 2013 Mac Pro with 3.5 GHz 6-Core Intel Xeon E5 16 GB of RAM, 1000 GB SSD hard drive, with a Promise RAID external system attached. I no longer use Lightroom, but I use Photoshop all the time (current CC version). It runs more than fast enough, unless I am doing a panorama stich with 16 medium format files. It can take 5 to 10 minutes to pull that together--I get a cup of coffee. I haven't really timed it. I agree with the diminishing returns comment. Unless you are doing heavy video crunching or are working several hundred lawyers in a photo, I don't think you need much more than I have. I could have stayed with the Mac mini, but as I recall, they cut back on some aspects when they revised it, so I went with the MacPro. It is an expensive machine. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pico Posted March 19, 2016 Share #28 Posted March 19, 2016 The product I would love to have is a top-end Mac Pro but with an optional screen and keypad just like the Air, tethered with the Pro hidden under my sofa table. That would be the best of all worlds to me. I do not need a very large monitor. . Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
CheshireCat Posted March 19, 2016 Share #29 Posted March 19, 2016 RAM is used when computational calculations can not be stored on main drive, mainly because it is too full. Nope. That is false. Store your files on an external disk and bring in files to main drive only to work on them and then move them back . A few folders is fine. Remember how nicely it ran when new. This keeps it this way. The external becomes your "cloud". You are quite confused. Sorry, but this does not make sense. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pico Posted March 19, 2016 Share #30 Posted March 19, 2016 RAM is used when computational calculations can not be stored on main drive, mainly because it is too full. To be more specific, it is the opposite: when the OS runs close to RAM limits, it uses virtual memory which is disc. In Photoshop you can set the disc (also called Scratch space) to be other than the system disc. Highly recommended. I worked with a virtual memory system for thirty years. The goal is to never swap. I succeeded. I can do the same with OS X. Store your files on an external disk and bring in files to main drive only to work on them and then move them back . A few folders is fine. Remember how nicely it ran when new. Not the best idea. Leave the original off the OS disc. ASIDE: Damn, am I frustrated by this site's tracking. It slows responses to a crawl. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pop Posted March 19, 2016 Share #31 Posted March 19, 2016 ...The goal is to never swap. ... Depends. I found out that swapping a few times per hour may be more efficient than closing and re-starting programs. My experience with virtual machines and storage date back a few decades as well, back to the times when they used to write real software. With real bugs, of course. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pico Posted March 19, 2016 Share #32 Posted March 19, 2016 Depends. I found out that swapping a few times per hour may be more efficient than closing and re-starting programs. My experience with virtual machines and storage date back a few decades as well, back to the times when they used to write real software. With real bugs, of course. I was not addressing virtual machines which are parasites. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sblitz Posted March 21, 2016 Share #33 Posted March 21, 2016 I would think running Lightroom off the cloud, which is the preferred sale from Adobe would mitigate much of these performance issues as the processing would be subject to your internet pipe. Or do I have this wrong? As an aside, I am using CaptureOne Pro Ver 9.1 on my latest Macbook Pro (see above) and it is super fast. Worked on my 2009 edition, but there are no more spinning pinwheels or whatever that annoying thing is Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jip Posted March 21, 2016 Share #34 Posted March 21, 2016 Nothing runs IN/ON the cloud, you just download the software FROM the cloud, rather than buying it on CD/DVD. Not everything that is called 'cloud' actually means it runs in the cloud... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Exodies Posted March 21, 2016 Share #35 Posted March 21, 2016 The CC version doesn't run on the cloud, it's a complete local install. The cloud bit is picture storage which you can optionally use with the desktop and mobile versions of LR. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pico Posted March 21, 2016 Share #36 Posted March 21, 2016 Nothing runs IN/ON the cloud, you just download the software FROM the cloud, rather than buying it on CD/DVD. Not everything that is called 'cloud' actually means it runs in the cloud... Actually, with most software you do not run from the cloud. The software lives on your home drive. With Adobe products the program checks your license against the cloud registration, and not every time, only near expiration date. To run from the cloud would be intolerably slow at this time. Many years ago I participated in a Microsoft experiment where we ran from 'the cloud', and only the routines we needed were temporarily loaded into our desktops. As an expert in virtual memory, I saw that it was truly a futile experiment. So did most everyone else. It failed. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
adli Posted March 22, 2016 Author Share #37 Posted March 22, 2016 In order to do anything usefull with your pictures in Lightroom or Photoshop or whatever application you use, you have to load both the application and the picture file into the working memory of your computer. That is the way computers are designed. They run programs and perform calculations on data which are stored in the working memory. Hence you need enough memory to store the os kernel, the application and the data you are working on in the memory. In addition, if you shuffle large data around, you want to be able to read and write to your disks at a decent speed. This is computer basics, before you start wondering how mant cpu cores, what kind of disks etc.... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
CheshireCat Posted March 22, 2016 Share #38 Posted March 22, 2016 In order to do anything usefull with your pictures in Lightroom or Photoshop or whatever application you use, you have to load both the application and the picture file into the working memory of your computer. That is the way computers are designed. Yes, but then there is "cloud computing". As far as I know, no Adobe app uses cloud computing (yet). Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarkP Posted March 22, 2016 Share #39 Posted March 22, 2016 The product I would love to have is a top-end Mac Pro but with an optional screen and keypad just like the Air, tethered with the Pro hidden under my sofa table. That would be the best of all worlds to me. I do not need a very large monitor. . I have a top-end MacPro with two NEC MultiScnc screens. I usually do more critical work on that computer because of the two high quality screens. However, I screenshare with my 6 year-old 15-inch i7 MacBook Pro anywhere in the house (such as down in the lounge room whilst watching TV). I have the convenience of the smaller screen anywhere in the house with the processing grunt of the MacPro. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jip Posted March 22, 2016 Share #40 Posted March 22, 2016 My whole website runs on Amazon's AWS (AmazonWebServices) from storage S3 and Cloudfront to computing power EC2. With my 500mbit up/down fiber connection it is perfectly possible to run programs live from the cloud with my MacPro for example, but this is not something Adobe will release any time soon for consumers or professional market, simply because average networking throughput worldwide is way too slow. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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