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I too own both cameras (the X100T and the Q) and for some inexplicable reason I do love to shoot the X100T despite the far superior quality of the Summilux.

I love the Fuji X100 series and have owned the X100, X100S and X100T. I enjoyed their improvements and miss the optical / EVF which is very innovative and nice to use. Having said that, I greatly prefer the Q. The IQ is superb. Feel in the hand is comparable. Fuji is a great brand. Maybe someday they'll make a full frame X100. That would be a nice camera too. Love my Q though.

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This video explain why I sold my X100S and X-Pro1 to get a Q in a much better way than I could write here:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wMmvVsRNLk4

 

Not only the Q delivers better images but its way more simple to use.

When I'm out shooting I don't want to tweak things, I don't want to deal with a computer... I just want to focus on photography and forget the camera as most as I can.

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This video explain why I sold my X100S and X-Pro1 to get a Q in a much better way than I could write here:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wMmvVsRNLk4

 

Not only the Q delivers better images but its way more simple to use.

When I'm out shooting I don't want to tweak things, I don't want to deal with a computer... I just want to focus on photography and forget the camera as most as I can.

Excellent video about why to shoot with Leica. Much applies directly to the Q. His comments about focusing and no shutter lag are right on.

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I have the Q, X-Pro 2 and XT-2 and they are all wonderful cameras in their own ways but the Q is something special and focuses so much faster and accuratly than the fuji's even with the latest lenses

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I have the Q, X-Pro 2 and XT-2 and they are all wonderful cameras in their own ways but the Q is something special and focuses so much faster and accuratly than the fuji's even with the latest lenses

I own both the Q & an XP2 with an XF35mm f2 & a Zeiss 12mm f2.8 lens.  Comparing the focus speed & accuracy of my Q to the newer Fuji lens, I really don't see any significant difference in speed or accuracy in any shooting environment with reasonable light; the Zeiss may not be quite as fast on the XP2 as the Q but the focus accuracy is also not different in the same lighting conditions.  I don't have enough experience with either camera or these lenses in low light to comment on that.  But I would expect the Q to be better with its faster, more high quality lens.  And these 2 bodies & 2 ILC lenses give me really all that I need from ultra wide to short telephoto for architectural, landscape & travel work, with room for some snaps of the grand daughter & our 2 doggies on the side.  Now when this new XF50mm f2 is out, I may have to think a bit more about adding it . . . . .

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The person asking the original question is on a 'Leica Forum". I think you've already answered your own question my friend!!

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I own both the Q & an XP2 with an XF35mm f2 & a Zeiss 12mm f2.8 lens.  Comparing the focus speed & accuracy of my Q to the newer Fuji lens, I really don't see any significant difference in speed or accuracy in any shooting environment with reasonable light; the Zeiss may not be quite as fast on the XP2 as the Q but the focus accuracy is also not different in the same lighting conditions.  I don't have enough experience with either camera or these lenses in low light to comment on that.  But I would expect the Q to be better with its faster, more high quality lens.  And these 2 bodies & 2 ILC lenses give me really all that I need from ultra wide to short telephoto for architectural, landscape & travel work, with room for some snaps of the grand daughter & our 2 doggies on the side.  Now when this new XF50mm f2 is out, I may have to think a bit more about adding it . . . . .

 

Where I find the Q to be amazing is that I can set the camera to face detect in continuous focus mode, f2.8, minimum shutter speed in auto iso to 1/500, continuous shutter release and walk down the street and just point the camera in the general direction of the person I want to capture and over 90% of the time the Q will get me a  sharp image of what I want it to focus on even while I am moving. I have tried the same with my Sony A7rII, Fuji XT-2 and X-Pro 2 and none of them can come near to this hit rate. I really don't know how the Q manages to do this as it almost seems to be able to read my mind. I really do find it to be the ultimate street camera.

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Where I find the Q to be amazing is that I can set the camera to face detect in continuous focus mode, f2.8, minimum shutter speed in auto iso to 1/500, continuous shutter release and walk down the street and just point the camera in the general direction of the person I want to capture and over 90% of the time the Q will get me a sharp image of what I want it to focus on even while I am moving. I have tried the same with my Sony A7rII, Fuji XT-2 and X-Pro 2 and none of them can come near to this hit rate. I really don't know how the Q manages to do this as it almost seems to be able to read my mind. I really do find it to be the ultimate street camera.

I just tried your idea of continuous focusing and face detection. It is stunning how well this works for people / street photography. Truly a very insightful discovery. I made a user profile for it I like it so much. Thanks.

 

Combining your technique with remote control on the Q app could give a truly stealth and reliable way to do street photography. Viramati, your insight is really appreciated. Thanks.

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I just tried your idea of continuous focusing and face detection. It is stunning how well this works for people / street photography. Truly a very insightful discovery. I made a user profile for it I like it so much. Thanks.

 

Combining your technique with remote control on the Q app could give a truly stealth and reliable way to do street photography. Viramati, your insight is really appreciated. Thanks.

 

Yes I have this set up as a preset. I also have a preset for the app which is slightly different with focussing set to the touch screen, slow minimum shutter speed and the fn button set to wifi so I can turn it on quickly.

Don't get me wrong the Fuji's are great cameras in their own way and I now use the the XT-2 with either the 35/1.4 or 56/1.2 alongside the Q

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Go to 'user profiles' in the menu and save you current settings in 'save as profile'. there are 4 different profiles. 

 

I have:

Profile 1 as my standard settings

Profile 2 Street settings

Profile 3 Street  and Wifi settings

Profile 4 My low light settings

 

The Great thing about Leica unlike the fuji's is that a saved profile effects all the settings saved 

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viramati - All of the above are really quite excellent & very useful suggestions for getting the best out of the Q, & streamlining the process for doing so.  I haven't tried all of them yet but certainly plan to do so.  My street photo experience using the Q at waist level in shutter priority & relying on the AF, either using the App with my iPhone or just manually pressing the shutter release & pointing my body at the intended subject matter has worked much better than I thought it would.  So I can imagine that your expanded method will produce even better results, & the idea of setting it up as a preset profile is definitely the way to go.  Thanks much from another Leica Q & also Fuji X-Pro2 user, which I agree make for an almost perfect combination.  Cheers,

 

Jed

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 I will say that I originally got the X-Pro 2 to work alongside the Q but now have really switched to the XT-2 with either the 35/1.4 or 56/1.2 as a companion. As much as I like the X-Pro for it's form factor and Leica type ergonomics I am just finding the XT more versatile, a little smaller and I like having iso on it's own wheel and being able to see shutter selections without having to look into a menu. Also the tilting screen is a plus. The XF 35/1.4 while being one of the first fuji lenses and is a little noisy and slightly slower to focus just renders really beautifully.

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This video explain why I sold my X100S and X-Pro1 to get a Q in a much better way than I could write here:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wMmvVsRNLk4

 

Not only the Q delivers better images but its way more simple to use.

When I'm out shooting I don't want to tweak things, I don't want to deal with a computer... I just want to focus on photography and forget the camera as most as I can.

 

Why not just set up his X-Pro how he wanted it, lock the menu items and then just use it - really easy to do!

 

As to accuracy of focus I can't speak for the Leica C, I assume though that being mirrorless it will be spot on but certainly Fuji X cameras that I have always get focus 100% accurately and have zero problems at F1.2 on the 56mm lens. They are mirrorless cameras and therefore focus straight off the sensor as a opposed to a DSLR that can be hit and miss with a wide aperture lens.

 

I watched his video and honestly just found it to be 21 minutes of waffle that could have been condensed into 3 minutes!!

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Why not just set up his X-Pro how he wanted it, lock the menu items and then just use it - really easy to do!

 

As to accuracy of focus I can't speak for the Leica C, I assume though that being mirrorless it will be spot on but certainly Fuji X cameras that I have always get focus 100% accurately and have zero problems at F1.2 on the 56mm lens. They are mirrorless cameras and therefore focus straight off the sensor as a opposed to a DSLR that can be hit and miss with a wide aperture lens.

 

I watched his video and honestly just found it to be 21 minutes of waffle that could have been condensed into 3 minutes!!

 

 

 

I think I understand his reasons, though I agree with you, he could have spent a few minutes setting it to work how he likes it and then forgotten about all the rest for ever more if he wanted to.

 

He just needed to justify to himself wanting a lovely Leica. And I can understand that!

 

But 20 minutes of denying the obvious? 

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I own a Q and an X-Pro2—as well as an M-D, and I'm in line for an M10. If I had to limit myself to one camera and I weren't being sentimental, I would keep the Q. Why?

 

  • The Q is way more compact than the X-Pro2 with a 28mm equiv lens. I have the 16mm (24mm equiv?) and it's huge.
  • The Q is so much more direct and simple from an operational perspective than the X-Pro2. I'm living in constant fear of falling into some menu where I might accidentally turn on bracketing, panorama mode, film simulation, video, etc.
  • Speaking of: the Fuji is a Japanese camera with typical Japanese camera featuritis, though executed extremely well.
  • The X-Pro2 offers a neat rangefinder focusing simulation mode, but manual focusing is not what the X-Pro2 was made for.
  • The Q's lens! Macro mode! AF when you want it but it's a blast to focus manually, which is what I almost always do.
  • When I carry the Fuji I either accidentally bump the exposure comp dial, or if I position the body so that that doesn't happen, then the diopter adjustment gets changed, which is totally discombobulating. The Q has diopter adjustment—AHEM, M-D and M10!—and it never changes unless I want it to change. The aperture ring of the X-Pro2 also loves to spin.

 

I bought the X-Pro2 first but had a terrible case of buyer's remorse. The Q is an essential camera. I never want to be in a position where I need to choose between my Q and also having an M. The X-Pro2 is nice, it's fine, but if you love Leicas it's not a Leica. It sort of like an Lexus IS compared to a BMW 3. (That said, I last shopped for a car over fifteen years ago.)

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I have the Q, X-Pro 2 and XT-2 and they are all wonderful cameras in their own ways but the Q is something special and focuses so much faster and accuratly than the fuji's even with the latest lenses

 

 

Genuine question Viramati ... and make no mistake, I deeply respect your input on here, and the photographs you give to us ...

 

But how do you choose between your Leica Q and the Fuji X-T2? 

 

I have both, love them both, enjoy them both, but I have neither rhyme nor reason as to which one I pick up and take out with me. I don't take both, it's one or the other, but how should I decide?

 

How do you decide? 

 

Genuine question ....and many thanks in anticipation 

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I have the Q and wanted an interchangeable lens system and wasn't going to drop close to 20k in CDN funds to purchase the SL system with the 24-90.

 

Being familiar with Fuji's system, I picked up the XP2 and bought the 35f2 and 56f1.2 to complement the Q.  

 

Both cameras together are fantastic and aren't menu heavy (ahem Sony).  You could live off with just the Q, but if you do portraits, you are going to need that reach.

 

XP2 isn't perfect by any means, but what camera is today.  However, I think the XP2 might put a slash in the DSLR's jugular that DSLR are going to die a slow death.

 

Leica Q and XP2 are like a steak and good glass of red wine.  Having both, I could say adios to my D810 and never have to look at another DSLR.

 

 

I agree completely.  Ever since I bought into Fuji (big time!) with the XP2, most Fuji primes and an x100T, my D800 and big honking zooms have gathered dust.  I've always wanted to try Leica, though, and am now lusting for the Q.  I can't "justify" it except to say that I really want one.  Lol.  I love the Fuji gear and will keep it for the variety of lenses, but the "force" is strong with the Q!

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