cirke Posted July 26, 2016 Share #941 Posted July 26, 2016 Advertisement (gone after registration) The most important change would be to get back to the slim, light, and easily handled form factor of the film M cameras. Sure, there might be many small improvements on the current digital Ms, but if Leica wants to compete with Nikon and Canon they can do it with the SL. A quality digital camera small and light enough to be carried always, and as suitable for street photography and photojournalism as a film M, would mark a return to Leica's traditional competitive advantage. I'd like it to be like the M6 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Advertisement Posted July 26, 2016 Posted July 26, 2016 Hi cirke, Take a look here New Leica M in September 2016? The speculations.. I'm sure you'll find what you were looking for!
FrozenInTime Posted July 26, 2016 Share #942 Posted July 26, 2016 Digital is so last decade: time for a new Focomat enlarger and 4 blade 10x12 easel - to revive home optical printing. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter H Posted July 26, 2016 Share #943 Posted July 26, 2016 Okay here it is in my mind.... Leica dealers take orders and you spec your camera, three or so basic platforms (Full functionality vide etc, slimmed down, purist) you choose B&W or colour and even the possibility of different sensors (Perhaps there is a lower resolution higher dynamic range option, so high dynamic range 20MP, or 35MP slightly less DR) They have basic configurations built for stock but build the other to order You can have a personal camera built for you and this is part of the Leica specialty you pay for what you want and get. This has to be the way to go for Leica, they can still build one off limited editions, and build stock in standard configurations. It's more than growing a la carte as this is trim based only Well, that's how cars are made and sold, so it's an established practise, but I can't see it happening with cameras for a good while yet. Sadly. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Giulio Zanni Posted July 26, 2016 Share #944 Posted July 26, 2016 The most important change would be to get back to the slim, light, and easily handled form factor of the film M cameras. Sure, there might be many small improvements on the current digital Ms, but if Leica wants to compete with Nikon and Canon they can do it with the SL. A quality digital camera small and light enough to be carried always, and as suitable for street photography and photojournalism as a film M, would mark a return to Leica's traditional competitive advantage. I think that with the introduction of live view Leica managed to reach out to photographers that do not do street photography or photojournalism, which appreciate the simplicity and fine craft of the camera and its excellent lenses. I think they should build on that rather than going back. I don't see the SL being a competitor to Nikon/Canon for sport or wildlife, while for fine art photography people would still look at medium format. As I cannot afford a Phase One back and shoot mainly in black and white for me the Monochrom is an excellent proposition, which I would like to see refined especially when ti comes to long exposures. Street photography and photojournalism could be easily done with a Q. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
foto2021 Posted July 27, 2016 Share #945 Posted July 27, 2016 The unfortunate consequence following an announcement of a new Leica M (or non-M) camera is that the usual armchair naysayers will criticise it - probably unfairly. Those of us who recall previous criticisms could even predict what they will write. And their remarks will be unmoderated. dunk The even more unfortunate consequence is the inevitable cooing of the unthinking sycophants who will praise anything to the heavens, however flawed it might be, as long as it has a red dot. The two tend to balance each other out. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ernest Posted July 28, 2016 Share #946 Posted July 28, 2016 Wishdream. Pragmatic stuff. Clean up the viewfinder by limiting the frame lines to only those that correspond to the mounted lens: for instance, no 75mm frame lines intruding on a 50mm frame. Rethink the EVF and stereo microphone accessories, which cannot be used at the same time since they use the same connection. Afterthought engineering. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Douglas Sharp Posted July 28, 2016 Share #947 Posted July 28, 2016 Advertisement (gone after registration) How about a camera with a built-in-smartphone instead of the other way around Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjh Posted July 28, 2016 Share #948 Posted July 28, 2016 Clean up the viewfinder by limiting the frame lines to only those that correspond to the mounted lens: for instance, no 75mm frame lines intruding on a 50mm frame. Would be nice but won’t happen without a radical redesign of the rangefinder. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
otto.f Posted July 28, 2016 Share #949 Posted July 28, 2016 Wishdream. Pragmatic stuff. Clean up the viewfinder by limiting the frame lines to only those that correspond to the mounted lens: for instance, no 75mm frame lines intruding on a 50mm frame. Rethink the EVF and stereo microphone accessories, which cannot be used at the same time since they use the same connection. Afterthought engineering. This is about the only for instance that is really relevant in my view; other twins aren't disturbing me at all. The 75 is a wonderfull angle and I'd rather swap the 75frame for the 50frame: the 75 needs more precise framing because it's more tele than the 50. So make the 50 frame as is the 75 frame now Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
luigi bertolotti Posted July 28, 2016 Share #950 Posted July 28, 2016 Would be nice but won’t happen without a radical redesign of the rangefinder. Do you exclude this chance, now or in the next 2 years ? The strong link focals-frames as is now is imho a limitation for the future of M... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjh Posted July 28, 2016 Share #951 Posted July 28, 2016 With the rangefinder’s mechanical masks it is virtually impossible to create more distinct framelines. A hybrid viewfinder using an LCD panel to create the framelines could create as many different framelines as desired but implementing it wouldn’t be easy. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pico Posted July 28, 2016 Share #952 Posted July 28, 2016 Digital is so last decade: time for a new Focomat enlarger and 4 blade 10x12 easel - to revive home optical printing. I use one! A rebuilt Focomat IIa! And I have Focotar lenses sitting on a shelf: they were not, IMHO so good. But what do I know? Forgive me digital mavens. I still love you. . Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
cirke Posted July 29, 2016 Share #953 Posted July 29, 2016 There is no chance for a new M at Photokina I guess Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
steveBK Posted July 29, 2016 Share #954 Posted July 29, 2016 Starting to look like a new T if anything.. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
algrove Posted July 29, 2016 Share #955 Posted July 29, 2016 Got tired reading everyone's wants and options. The new M will have the SL sensor. What else it will have I am not yet sure until summer holidays are over. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarkP Posted July 29, 2016 Share #956 Posted July 29, 2016 Hmm. 48 pages of mental masturbation and no information - such a Leica Forum thing . Despite the obvious improvements that I and others would like to see over my current M240 and Monochrom v1, I hope that there's no new M this year as I could do without the temptation of updating. At the moment there is actually nothing in the M system I want or need. It's true - no digital or film M-system GAS or purchases for year or so ). Medium format? Leica S, Hasselblad X1-P, Fuji (watch this space) are a temptation but I'll sit tight for the moment as I think the money would be better spent on travelling to where I can take more photos than spent on a bigger sensor. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gnuyork Posted July 29, 2016 Share #957 Posted July 29, 2016 Digital is so last decade: time for a new Focomat enlarger and 4 blade 10x12 easel - to revive home optical printing. I actually have a never used Focomat IIc. Never set it up. I need to one of these days. I hear it's great. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spizzi Posted July 30, 2016 Share #958 Posted July 30, 2016 Hmm. 48 pages of mental masturbation and no information. Same thought. Waiting for something substantiated and real. Or just cut bait and head toward the Hasselblad X1D.... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JonPB Posted July 30, 2016 Share #959 Posted July 30, 2016 Hmm. 48 pages of mental masturbation and no information - such [an Internet] Forum thing . There, I edited it for you. :-) Shades of Cicala's hammer come to mind. I'm excited to see what Leica does -- releasing a new M or not. In my mind, Leica's product design team has been exceptional, which is perhaps related to the company's apparent financial success. I think Leica is the most innovative camera company today, and I see their new lines as a test ground for its core market. Yes, that means missing sometimes, but it also means creative products and interesting solutions to niche problems. Just like Canon did with the film EF line, there are serious experiments (in the EOS-5 line) that sometimes trickle up to the failure-is-not-an-option products (the EOS-1 line). If there is a new M, I think it'll be staggeringly tempting. If there isn't, I think that's just because they're waiting until they can make it so. Which is as it should be. That said, anything beyond an M9's functionality is just icing on the cake for me, so I'm happy sitting here with my popcorn and punditry. My many hammers notwithstanding. Cheers, Jon Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarkP Posted July 30, 2016 Share #960 Posted July 30, 2016 There, I edited it for you. :-) Shades of Cicala's hammer come to mind. Thanks Jon, but when I wrote Forum with a capital F, I specifically meant this forum. You will discover what I meant as you spend more time here ;-) I like the Hammer! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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